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A Troubling Influence - An Islamic Fifth Column penetrates the White House
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| 12/09/03
| Frank J Gaffney Jr.
Posted on 12/09/2003 1:37:45 AM PST by kattracks
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To: Nick Danger
Thank you for an excellent post with some COMMON SENSE in it.
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posted on
12/09/2003 9:42:12 PM PST
by
Howlin
(Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
To: Sabertooth; Bob J; Poohbah; Nick Danger
Obtuse? You are the one saying that Norquist should have known they were bad guys. So I am merely asking that you prove he had such knowledge of their activties in that regard. You seem to be ducking this question - I think I probably know why. You can't. You cannot prove that Norquist had any idea that these folks were anything other than what they say they were, nor that his association with them and his outreach caused any harm to the war effort.
I read the columns in footnote 71. The only one who ever took shots at him was Michelle Malkin, and even then.
Mona Charen was the only other one who mentioned him, and she did not make call one way or the other about Norquist's actions.
Again, the only accusations I see about Norquist's actions are those coming from Gaffney. I am unaware of Pipes of Emerson making similar accusations, but compared to Gaffney, they are bit players in this drama.
162
posted on
12/09/2003 9:50:24 PM PST
by
hchutch
("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
To: hchutch
You are the one saying that Norquist should have known they were bad guys.
Yes. I'm also saying that he actually does hang out with bad guys. In fact, that's all we need to know: Grover Norquist rubs shoulders, frequently, with Islamists. By all indications and common sense, he is being used by them for the access he can provide. You don't care; you don't want to look at the evidence or address it honestly. I understand. I get it.
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163
posted on
12/09/2003 9:55:55 PM PST
by
Sabertooth
(Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
To: Sabertooth
Not even close to true. Nortquist lets fly with ad hominems any time anyone questions his friendliness with Islamists affilliated with ANSWER, and other America haters. Khaled Saffuri and Suhail Khan have not been disavowed. Nor have the Islamic Institute, Muzzamil Siddiqi, CAIR, Shakh Mamza, or a host of other pro-terror entities.
Exactly. One would think someone so misled would be at least introspective about his associations. Instead Nordquist waves the bloody shirt of "racism" and "prejudice" without making any attempt to refute the allegations factually or logically.
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posted on
12/09/2003 9:56:11 PM PST
by
Kozak
(Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
To: hchutch
You cannot prove that Norquist had any idea that these folks were anything other than what they say they were, nor that his association with them and his outreach caused any harm to the war effort. True statement, as it was 10 months ago the last time Gaffney's stuff made the rounds at FR.
To: rmlew
The Constitution is a legal document. It is not the foundation of the country.I can honestly say that is the very first time I have EVER read those words on FR.
Stunning.
166
posted on
12/09/2003 9:58:22 PM PST
by
Howlin
(Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
To: Sabertooth
By all indications and common sense, he is being used by them for the access he can provide.Access to what, an FBI sting?
To: kattracks
I am very concerned about this article. I have been thinking about this all day and and am wondering if this connection is what Dean was referring to when he mentioned that the Saudis may have told Bush about the attacks, before 9/11. We know it's not true, but what if Dean(and Gore) is planning a late October Surprise of some claim by these anti-American Islamics.
168
posted on
12/09/2003 10:05:51 PM PST
by
Eva
To: Nick Danger
This is the White House we're talking about here. Secret Service? CIA? NSA? Do these names ring a bell? You think they didn't know who these people were? That's nuts.
Whether they did or didn't, this is nuts... This is nuts... This is nuts... More nutty stuff...
ATTENDEES AT THE PRESIDENT'S White House IFTAAR DINNER
AMBASSADORS OF THE ORGANIZATION OF THE ISLAMIC CONFERENCE
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AMERICAN MUSLIM LEADERS Mr. Khaled Saffuri, Islamic Institute Dr. Ziad Asali, American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee Dr. Yahya Basha, American Muslim Council Shaykh Hicham Muhammad Kabbani, Islamic Supreme Council of America Dr. Sayyid Syeed, Secretary General, Islamic Society of North America Dr. Akbar Ahmed, American University Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl, UCLA School of Law Imam Hassan Qazwini, Islamic Center of America Mr. Hanif Akhtar, Pakistani Business Association Dr. Raana Akbar, Association Pakistani Physicians of North America Dr. Nisar Chaudry, Pakistani American Congress Imam W. Deen Mohammed, The Mosque Cares Mr. Qaseem Uqdah, American Muslim Armed Forces Council Imam Mohamed Magid Ali, All Dulles Area Muslim Society Mrs. Seeme Hasan, Hasan Family Foundation Mrs. Guler Koknar, Assembly of Turkish American Assoc Dr. Shamim Ibrahim, NISWA Dr. Azizah Al-Hibri, President, Karamah Ms. Shareefa Alkhateeb, North American Council for Muslim Women Mr. Ali Jawad, Armada Oil and Gas Mr. Farooq Kathwari, Ethan Allen Dr. Amanullah Khan, Cancer Center Associates Dr. Laith Kubba, National Endowment for Democracy Mr. Mohammad Fadel, National Association of Muslim Lawyers
DanielPipes.org
AMC Attends White House Briefing on Controversial INS Policy WASHINGTON, DC, Jan. 17, 2003: Yesterday AMC Executive Director Eric Erfan Vickers and Board Secretary Dr. Nedzib Sacirbey attended, along with other Muslim and Arab American leaders, a White House briefing on the controversial INS policy that has caused to many tremendous personal hardships, and which has created mounting consternation in the Muslim and Arab American community. The briefing was arranged by Ali H. Tulbah, the Associate Director of Cabinet Affairs, and AMC commends him for initiating this substantive dialogue with key officials in the White House Administration. LINK (Appears to be a broken link) Several contemoraneous FR links
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169
posted on
12/09/2003 10:11:30 PM PST
by
Sabertooth
(Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
To: Kozak
One would think someone so misled would be at least introspective about his associations. Instead Nordquist waves the bloody shirt of "racism" and "prejudice" without making any attempt to refute the allegations factually or logically.
He appears to know his audience.
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170
posted on
12/09/2003 10:13:20 PM PST
by
Sabertooth
(Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
To: FreeReign
Access to what, an FBI sting?
Can you recall any past occasions where a sitting President was the bait in a sting, anywhere, anytime, let alone on national TV or in the White House?
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171
posted on
12/09/2003 10:16:02 PM PST
by
Sabertooth
(Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
To: Sabertooth
You've convinced me. The President of the United States is an agent of Wahabbi Islam! We are so screwed. John, can we have killfiles in the next rev, please? |
172
posted on
12/09/2003 10:22:34 PM PST
by
Nick Danger
(With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.)
To: Nick Danger
You've convinced me. The President of the United States is an agent of Wahabbi Islam! We are so screwed.
Yeah, that's the point. The point is that all branches of the government are targets of 5th Columnists, including the Executive. No one seriously expects President Bush to personally vet all of the people with whom he's brought into contact. However, he's been poorly served by those who've allowed him to come into contact with Islamists, or those who've recklessly encouraged those contacts.
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173
posted on
12/09/2003 10:26:33 PM PST
by
Sabertooth
(Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
To: kattracks
I read it. I see no "there" there. It reads like Horowitz employing old left tactics, smearing, and guilt by association. It also reads like an academic politics fight over who dissed whom at the water cooler, and did you hog the copy paper or didn't you? If this is all he has, Horowitz should count to ten and take a long walk, while Norquist hasn't personally done anything wrong.
174
posted on
12/09/2003 10:31:57 PM PST
by
JasonC
To: Poohbah
There are a few loudmouth Christians (Gary North and other "theonomists" and "Christian Dominionists" come to mind) who demand that we stone people to death for blasphemy and such. Do you judge all of Christianity by the conduct of people like Gary North? Or do they get some sort of pass? I know I've seen you post a similar accusation in the past. North is widely published, so a quote of his should be easy to provide- where's your evidence that he says this?
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posted on
12/09/2003 10:38:36 PM PST
by
Pelham
To: Sabertooth
By all indications and common sense, he is being used by them for the access he can provide. Access to what, an FBI sting?
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Can you recall any past occasions where a sitting President was the bait in a sting, anywhere, anytime, let alone on national TV or in the White House?
OK then, so it wasn't a sting. But, the final results of Grover "being used" was the arrests, the prosecutions, the convictions and the sentencing of terrorists.
It sounds to me like they tried to use Grover and they tried to use the Presidents outreach -- and they failed!
To: FreeReign
But, the final results of Grover "being used" was the arrests, the prosecutions, the convictions and the sentencing of terrorists.
Is it your contention that Norquist was a knowing participant in the FBI's investigation?
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177
posted on
12/09/2003 10:48:22 PM PST
by
Sabertooth
(Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
To: Sabertooth
Is it your contention that Norquist was a knowing participant in the FBI's investigation? It's only my contention that I haven't seen evidence that Norquist knowingly was trying to help terrorists gain access to the WH.
To: nutmeg
bump
179
posted on
12/09/2003 10:53:15 PM PST
by
nutmeg
(Is the DemocRATic party extinct yet?)
To: Sabertooth
"The Bill of Rights is not a suicide pact". That pithy phrase is credited to chief Nuremburg prosecutor Robert Jackson, a poor fellow who suffered from common sense. Fortunately that ailment doesn't afflict a lot of folks here. And should you think that a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, well... you're probably advocating genocide. At least I think that's what I've learned here tonight.
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posted on
12/09/2003 10:56:48 PM PST
by
Pelham
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