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Cruel Joke or Medical Anomaly?
UM List ^ | Tim Wilkins

Posted on 12/05/2003 5:50:56 AM PST by xzins

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To: Paul C. Jesup
Sadistic actions are evil, no matter who does them.

I didn't realize who I was writing to... my apologies. Apparently God is a Freeper since only God can truly say what is good and what is not. Boy, talk about the arrogance of man!

God only made ameads when Job called him on his actions.

Ahhh... so you haven't read the story. Why didn't you say so in the first place? It would have saved a lot of time.

The entire approach of the NT is different than the OT, it is like in the NT they have forgot almost everything the happened before in the OT.

I like a good debate as much as the next guy but this statement makes it very clear you don't have clue what you're talking about.

Did it ever occur to you that God may not have the best interests at heart for you, me and the rest of humanity.

Wow... that's bold. Since this statement acknowledges God, I'll ask you... if He doesn't, who does?

Total blind faith can lead you to a whole world of pain.

We found an area where we can agree. Given your obvious lack of scholarship on issues you adamantly advance, who is the blind one?

All joking aside... this one post clearly shows that you consider yourself God's judge. If you have even a shred of faith, study, reflection and repentence are very much in order. May God bless you.

221 posted on 12/05/2003 6:54:13 PM PST by pgyanke ("The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
The NT yes. The OT no. The OT is a story unto itself.

I know I just posted to you and noted your lack of Biblical scholarship but this post is so absurd it needs an answer... The entire purpose of the OT is the necessity of salvation and the anticipation of the Messiah. This is fulfilled in Jesus of the NT. Maybe they're not mutually exclusive after all...?

222 posted on 12/05/2003 6:56:24 PM PST by pgyanke ("The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
It all depends on who posts the study and who discredits the study.

Usually just about anybody can look at a bogus study and demonstrate where it went wrong. What I mean is, usually it's really obvious. Or sometimes the study won't even come close to demonstrating any root cause of homosexuality.

Thanks for the link. I just checked the title and it doesn't sound familiar, but I'll take a look and get back to you.

223 posted on 12/05/2003 7:01:08 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: pgyanke
I didn't realize who I was writing to... my apologies. Apparently God is a Freeper since only God can truly say what is good and what is not. Boy, talk about the arrogance of man!

I don't know you think you are God. :P

By the way, the Jews have a different opinion than you do on the OT and NT.

224 posted on 12/05/2003 7:04:01 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: scripter
Thanks for the link. I just checked the title and it doesn't sound familiar, but I'll take a look and get back to you.

Good, also, you might want to also read down the posts, one of them explains how that same hormone effects both slim and fat lesbians.

225 posted on 12/05/2003 7:05:36 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup; RobbyS
RobbyS said in post 203:
No one really believes that homosexuality is genetically based.
You responded in post 205
But there is some evidense that it can be traced to hormonal mix-ups during developement in the womb.
You pointed me here to support your statement but that article in no way states homosexuality/lesbianism is genetic. In fact it states:
Agrawal said her research neither suggests nor indicates PCOS causes lesbianism, only that PCOS is more prevalent in lesbian women.
As I said in post 214:

Many studies have been done and many claims made, and everything points back to environment. I think you might find this informative:
How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together

From everything I've read I'd say the above is a good summary of the issues. Also of interest: Homosexuality and Genetics.

The study you pointed me to in no way supports there's any link to homosexuality and genetics. Everything points to environment.
226 posted on 12/05/2003 8:26:53 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Agrawal said her research neither suggests nor indicates PCOS causes lesbianism, only that PCOS is more prevalent in lesbian women.

Notice the last part of the sentence, PCOS could be used as a starting point, and it does bare more reseach.

227 posted on 12/05/2003 8:33:20 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: xzins
(I didn't know how to put the line over top of the final nine so I underlined it.)

You're talking about a macron accent.

¯ as opposed to _


228 posted on 12/05/2003 8:49:42 PM PST by rdb3 (1971 - 2003: From underrated to most anticipated.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Notice the last part of the sentence, PCOS could be used as a starting point, and it does bare more reseach.

It says no such thing.

It says "PCOS is more prevalent in lesbian women" and that the research "neither suggests nor indicates" any cause to lesbianism. The fact that thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle further supports the environmental factor, which is the major factor in determining homosexuality. That's what the studies state. Please read them:

Genetics and Homosexuality
You'll find articles dating from 1995 to the present.
229 posted on 12/05/2003 8:59:27 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
I don't want to start a 'parsing words' arguement here, it is to 'Clinton' for my taste. But I will say we seem to see to different results from that article.

By the way, homosexuality has been around since the time of Ancient Greece. It is not something new.

230 posted on 12/05/2003 9:04:00 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup; scripter
more prevalent in lesbian women

Let's say big noses were more prevalent - would it make sense to say that big noses cause lesbianism.

Well, one glaring weakness is that it can't be the cause because there's a number who don't have big noses.

Let's say there is a greater prevalence of living in the south among patients with lung cancer.

Does that mean that the south causes lung cancer?

231 posted on 12/05/2003 9:08:11 PM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: rdb3
Hey where's the keystroke on that?
232 posted on 12/05/2003 9:09:00 PM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: xzins
Hey where's the keystroke on that?

It's not a keystroke. It's ¯ (or ¯).

Then you get ¯ either way.


233 posted on 12/05/2003 9:28:00 PM PST by rdb3 (1971 - 2003: From underrated to most anticipated.)
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To: xzins
Yes the article in question before you but in.
234 posted on 12/05/2003 9:35:32 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: xzins
READ the article in question before you but in.
235 posted on 12/05/2003 9:38:51 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
By "Bible" I mean the Old and New Testament, the Christian Scriptures. The Tanakh is not the same as the Old Testament.
236 posted on 12/05/2003 9:44:44 PM PST by RobbyS (XP)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
I read it when it was originally posted.

Also, Free Republic is free. Anyone can butt in at any time, and sometimes they do.
237 posted on 12/05/2003 10:25:08 PM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
But I will say we seem to see to different results from that article.

I'll say. When I quote the author I'm not reading anything into it, where you're adding words, phrases and ideas that can be found nowhere in the article. In fact you're saying the article supports something the author specifically states it doesn't.

By the way, homosexuality has been around since the time of Ancient Greece. It is not something new.

It appears you're thinking the recent articles I referenced go back to the beginning of homosexuality. Sheesh, you're either reading something that isn't there or you're not reading what is. It's obvious you're not really reading or probably not even clicking any of the links I'm providing. Just click here and read and read and read.

238 posted on 12/05/2003 10:48:08 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: xzins
I read it when it was originally posted.

You know, xzins, it takes all kinds. From the article:

Agrawal said her research neither suggests nor indicates PCOS causes lesbianism...,
and from that PCJ appears to read into it just the opposite of what the doctor explicitly said.
239 posted on 12/05/2003 10:55:13 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
I saw that he totally ignored the english and went with what he "felt."

Did you read the article last week about the guy who called himself a "lesbian" trapped in a male body? Humorous piece.

I read some of these comments and wonder if I'm in another world.
240 posted on 12/05/2003 11:08:17 PM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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