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Death of obese man (who assaulted police) ruled "homicide"
Fox News
| 12/3/03
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Posted on 12/03/2003 10:48:50 AM PST by zlala
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To: lepton
Was he over-exerting himself when he had had the problem before? If so, then the guy should've known better than to fight with the cops. And if he was too stoned to know better, that's not the cops' fault.
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:24:03 AM PST
by
mewzilla
To: caisson71
Absent the struggle it is unlikely he would have been dead upon arrival at the hospital. By the same token, absent his obesity, the PCP, and other drugs he probably would have survived the struggle and beating.
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:24:03 AM PST
by
luvbach1
To: OldFriend
ABC has it's own agenda.....That's for sure.
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:25:11 AM PST
by
retrokitten
("I like your ideas and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter." -Homer Simpson)
To: mlbford2
He was also on PCP (angel dust)and cocaine. And most dangerous of all White Castle Burgers.Good Lord. Why would anybody try to combine angel dust and cocaine with White Castle Burgers?
He wouldn't have lasted long in any case.
To: lepton
"It's not the fall that kills you.....it's the sudden stop"
"It's not the nightsticks that kill you....it's what happens when you are egregiously overweight and do speed and PCP and resist arrest and fight with cops and......that kills you"
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:26:16 AM PST
by
keithtoo
(DEAN - He's Dukaki-riffic!!!! - He's McGovern-ous!!! - He's Mondale-agorical!!!)
To: xzins
I know the beating looks bad,they were hitting his arm to get it behind him and cuffed with end of stick jabs,I saw later.If he was on speed he had the strength of many and he was huge.It'll be the reason for people to get face time on TV and froth at the mouth,for sure.
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:26:17 AM PST
by
MEG33
To: Frank_Discussion
It did have a pun quality, kind of.........
To: mewzilla
And if he was too stoned to know better, that's not the cops' fault. Castigating the police for the guys level of exertion is pretty tenuous...but that level is what the report cites as the cause of death.
Asking the police to be more hesitant to shoot is one thing. Asking them to consider themselves at fault because a guy on drugs flips out and his body can't handle it is just silly.
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:27:37 AM PST
by
lepton
To: caisson71
"Contributing conditions were drugs, his weight and heart condition...."
Police can not adjust the amount of force needed to subdue a suspect based on extraneous factors of which they were unaware, save his obesity. A violent suspect is a violent suspect to be dealt with by prescribed methods.
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:28:05 AM PST
by
luvbach1
To: Frank_Discussion
It's too cold to riot. Then again, there's lots of Christmas goodies in the stores and lootin' sure beats payin'
I guess it's a toss-up
To: keithtoo
LOL
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:28:46 AM PST
by
lepton
To: mewzilla
Then how can the coroner attribute the guy's last one to the cops? Cardiology has improved apparently. Given that his heart stopped during the struggle, that's kind of a reasonable conclusion. isn't it?
Look, as someone who frequently critices police abuse on this forum, I support the police in this case because their actions appear to have been justified and they used the appropriate amount of force under the circumstances. In fact, I commend their restraint
But it is obvious that the struggle was a major factor in the death, along with his drug use and obesity. That doesn't mean the police were guilty of a crime or even at fault.
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:28:51 AM PST
by
WackyKat
To: WackyKat
Obviously, you don't live around here.
Those are rioting words.
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:28:56 AM PST
by
xzins
(Proud to be Army!)
To: zlala
I saw this on TV last night. Doesn't it seem reasonable that in this day and age police have another weapon besides a club to subdue someone? How about some kind of dart gun like they use with animals that will put them out. I don't know, this just seemed unnecessary.
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:29:12 AM PST
by
Hildy
Comment #75 Removed by Moderator
To: retrokitten
"They call it MURDER [homocide]of the man in Cini.."
Typical of the feeble and sloppy word usage of so many talking heads.
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:31:42 AM PST
by
luvbach1
To: WackyKat
His heart stopped because of the irregular heartbeat. But what brought on the irreg heartbeat? What brought it on previously? Did the guy know this? And if he did, and it was the struggle, why should the cops take the rap? It's not like the perp had the info tattooed on his forhead.
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:31:51 AM PST
by
mewzilla
To: Celtjew Libertarian
Yeah, right.
And just how is a heart attack (suffered while the dead person was on drugs and viviously screaming and assaulting another person) a "deliberate" death?
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:32:25 AM PST
by
Robert A Cook PE
(I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
To: P-Marlowe
See #44 & 55
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:33:11 AM PST
by
xzins
(Proud to be Army!)
To: pgyanke
Homicide: Homo (man) cidere (to kill). Literally, "killed by man".
Suicide: Sui (self) cidere (to kill). Literally, "killed by self".
Murder: Killing that is not in self defense and directly causes death, which in this case could not apply since there were other contributing factors.
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posted on
12/03/2003 11:35:03 AM PST
by
luvbach1
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