Environmentalists File Suit to Stop New Jersey Bear Hunt

Cybercast News Service ^ | Dec 2, 2003 | Melanie Hunter

[B4Ranch]

If I had the ability I would bring some bears down to their neighborhood. You know 50 or so. Just drop them off one night and set back by the radio.

[Blue Jays]

Good Evening All-

The bears are certainly continuing to push southward and eastward. The irony in the letters I see in the editorial section of the newspaper is that they are primarily written by bleeding heart liberals in left-leaning towns where the bears aren't a threat.

One of my favorites was a guy from Asbury Park informing readers that supporters of the hunt are blowing things out of proportion. Easy to say when you're living down the shore and the problem is of extremely high impact in Warren, Sussex, Hunterdon, and Morris counties. Check it out next time you're reading letters to the editor, it's a complete hoot...

You'll very rarely see a letter from a resident of Sparta, Newton, Rockaway, or similar nearby town saying, "Hey, leave the fuzzy bears alone. There's hardly any of 'em, and the few that visit are cute little rascals that my kids love to feed crackers and pet in the backyard!"

~ Blue Jays ~

[B4Ranch]

I'd allow the bears to get hungry before I dropped them off. Bears breakfasting on some dogs that were let out for a morning pee would make good video tapes to sell to the evening news.

I think when Mommas poodle was gulped down in two bites she might think about what a bear can do to her kid on the way to school.

[PeteFromMontana]

"They may be paying farmers for the dead livestock, but they aren't making any recompense for the loss of all the herds of deer, elk, antelope and moose that are being killed by the wolves"


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Ahhhhh excellent point, in the case of the elk and moose it really is a problem in NW Montana.

[ZULU]

Please pardon me. I effusively apologize.

I thought I was carrying on a dialogue with an intelligent gentleman. I see I was mistaken on both counts.

[bullseye1911]

Forgive my ignorance. I found your reference site a very interesting read. Am I to understand that basically, carniverous mammals and birds of prey that are considered predators are: "Food that is not kosher [sic] and is commonly referred to as treyf (lit. torn, from the commandment not to eat animals that have been torn by other animals)."

But hey, looks like you can deer hunt: "Of the 'beasts of the earth' (which basically refers to land mammals with the exception of swarming rodents), you may eat any animal that has cloven hooves and chews its cud. Lev. 11:3; Deut. 14:6. Any land mammal that does not have both of these qualities is forbidden. The Torah specifies that the camel, the rock badger, the hare and the pig are not kosher because each lacks one of these two qualifications. Sheep, cattle, goats and deer are kosher."

Regards....

[bullseye1911]

They may be paying farmers for the dead livestock, but they aren't making any recompense for the loss of all the herds of deer, elk, antelope and moose that are being killed by the wolves.

Exactly right! The re-introduction of wolves in Michigan's U.P. reveals much that the environazi's don't want let out. A small pack of wolves generally take down 2-4 deer a day. They were exterminated for a reason, they're a threat to man and property. I hear that locals practice an unspoken rule: the 3 S's, shoot, shovel, shut-up! You can skip number 2.

[HairOfTheDog]

Every time our side says "NO, we don't want to kill the cute little animals and cut down all the pretty trees" it makes us sound like *we're* lying. What do we ever get to do in the debate except deny that we want to do what we're accused of wanting to do?

Because that would be a lie.... We do want to use some of those lands that the enviros want to save... we do want to kill some of the animals and we do want to cut down those trees.... But the truth is, the way we want to use it is ~not~ harmful. Use so often means damage that we need to not let the meaning become the same thing. Hunting bears is not damage, logging is not damage. They look at a clear-cut and see damage. I look much closer than they do at clear cuts, I ride through them on my horse, over the years it takes for them to re-grow. The birds and deer and elk and bears THRIVE in the clear cut areas. The variety of young to mature stands is a net gain to the critters that live there. They move back in the day the machines leave. They seek and find grasses, browseables, and berries to eat in those open areas, stuff they need that doesn't grow under the heavy forest. Those clear cuts are terrific habitat, as good for the food they need as the nearly mature stands of trees where they slip in to find cover when we ride through.

Back to the bears, they need to be told of the roaming bears that will take place if there is no hunt. That bears, unlike us, do not tolerate other bears living in the same space. They need to see that the trophy hunters who take the largest animals are taking the aging animals who would begin to take up the same territory without reproducing as well as the younger animals that will move in when the old are gone. Hunting teaches animals to run from our approach. Most animals shot in the woods have been 'missed' at lots of times already. Believe me.... we do not want bear or deer that don't fear us. For their safety they need ot fear our homes, and our roads. Hunting keeps the herds young and sharp and producing... managed properly it means more animals.

The everyday joe needs to be told all that. Most people who go on trail rides with me who cringe at the temporary ugliness of the clear cuts when we ride in get this lecture, and most if not all respect their benefits after I point them out. Don't give up and let them ~make you~ say radical things just because they are. We should be ~right~ not just equally reactive.

IK - this was the next thread I opened my trap on.

[hellinahandcart]

If you want to spoon-feed people what common sense should have already told them, be my guest. Knock yourself out.

Personally, I think that depriving the communists in this country of funding, influence and credibility will naturally take care of the "environmental movement" and a few others at the same time. They are all quite provably linked.

[Issaquahking]

Thanks for the ping, I'll read it, and get back to you on it this afternoon (after 5) gotta go for now!

[yonif]

Yup. Deer is kosher.

[Seamus Mc Gillicuddy]

I'm just guessing, but wouldn't bear be kosher to eat? They aren't split-hoofed animals.

[yonif]

See post 39

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1032330/posts?page=39#39

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

This begs the question: Does a bear sh_t in the woods...

while being hunted?

[Spok]

Bears in New Jersey? They must be Mafia...

[ZULU]

"A little complicated for you? "

Hardly. Even a simpleton could decipher your remarks.

" didn't mean to hurt your feelings."

Au contrair. It appears I hurt yours.

"Then again I had no idea you were so obtuse."

You are the first person to allege that observation. Perhaps the obtuseness you claim to observe is reflective of your own perspective.

"Thanks for the insult, .."

Don't mention it. Glad to oblige.

"I promise I won't respond back."

I won't hold my breath.

[Blue Jays]

Good Afternoon All-

Just read in The Star Ledger this morning that minors will be prohibited from this hunt for their safety, in consideration of protestors that may be present.

The authorities are saying this is For The Children^TM and is to protect them from a potentially volatile situation. Needless to say, the anti-hunting crowd is joyful regarding this update. From a long-term perspective, they see it as a way to reduce the number of hunters in the future.

~ Blue Jays ~

[d-back]

I just posted the Star-Ledger article about DEP banning young hunters, Blue Jay.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1033942/posts

[hellinahandcart]

Just read in The Star Ledger this morning that minors will be prohibited from this hunt for their safety, in consideration of protestors that may be present.

You know, screw New Jersey. If they consider the protestors a danger, they should handle the protestors. Instead they ban kids.