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Romney Signs DNA Bill-ALL PERSONS Having ANY Felony Convictions Must Submit Sample to State
The Boston Globe - Raphael Lewis ^ | November 12, 2003 | JT8D

Posted on 11/15/2003 1:35:18 PM PST by jt8d

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To: Maceman
I really don't have a problem with this at all. We are talking about CONVICTED felons here.

The problem is called "ex post facto" - this is a retroactive action. Of course, SCOTUS will parse away the problem by saying that this action is not a punishment.

81 posted on 11/17/2003 8:22:18 AM PST by dirtboy (New Ben and Jerry's flavor - Howard Dean Swirl - no ice cream, just fruit at bottom)
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To: The Red Zone
Anything that works in identifying and convicting a criminal, can be abused and used for framing an innocent person. Does that mean we throw techknowledgy in the trash?

We need a law that when one in authority is proven to have used the position and authority to fabricate evidence that convicts an innocent person, he/she is sentenced to the same sentence as the victem recieved,up to and including the death penalty.
82 posted on 11/17/2003 1:02:34 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If you can't laugh at yourself, we'll do it for you-no problem.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
We should be more careful with DNA than with fingerprints, because it's easier to forge false DNA evidence than it is to forge fingerprints.
83 posted on 11/17/2003 1:40:00 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: palmer
Universal health care from the Stupid party might seem better than the same from the Evil party but they will end up being the same.

I understand your cynicism, but I do believe that environmental laws written by Republicans are far more respective of Homo sapiens than are laws written by Rats, and we've seen that difference in numerous states.

Besides, what is the solution to the problem of being able to ultimately identify the likelyhood of each individual's propensity for disease? Would you instead rely on laws prohibiting discrimination in insurance and employment based on genetics? Even if you did, individuals with "clean" genes would always be able to get better rates, simply by voluntarily offering their DNA for a test. Once you have that going, then anyone who won't offer theirs is automatically suspect, and rated accordingly.

84 posted on 11/17/2003 1:49:30 PM PST by hunter112
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To: hunter112
Besides, what is the solution to the problem of being able to ultimately identify the likelyhood of each individual's propensity for disease?

The solution is to put "genetic destiny" into its proper perspective. There are genetic probabilities for some diseases ranging from 100% certainty of disease to just the slightest predisposition of a particular disease. Genetic destiny means easy profit and is also an easy excuse for poor diet and exercise habits. Since I'm a fan of holistic medicine, I'm also a fan of holistic genetics which will be invented someday, but is an oxymoron to the gene counters today.

85 posted on 11/17/2003 2:55:16 PM PST by palmer (They've reinserted my posting tube)
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To: The Red Zone
I can't argue with that.
86 posted on 11/17/2003 3:15:53 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If you can't laugh at yourself, we'll do it for you-no problem.)
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To: palmer
The solution is to put "genetic destiny" into its proper perspective.

Sounds fine in theory, but we're talking the insurance industry, here. We're talking about a business that practices legal discrimination every single day. If you don't believe me, try paying for auto insurance if you're a younger, unmarried male. You might have just as much driving experience and temperament as a married female of the same age, but she's gonna get a deal, and you'll get the shaft, based solely on demographics. The only thing they haven't figured out how to add into the equation is religion or race.

Malpractice insurance raises, the nursing shortage, and genetic science are on a collision course with the aging baby boomers. If you think its bad now in health care, it will be far worse in ten years if we don't come up with some solutions. If the Republican majority of 2007 cannot come up with some real answers, then they can expect to be unseated by Rats with radical ideas that will take hold in either 2009 or 2013, after the majorities swing their way.

87 posted on 11/17/2003 9:53:05 PM PST by hunter112
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To: hunter112
The only thing they haven't figured out how to add into the equation is religion or race.

AFAIK it's illegal. But the risk pooling of insurance doesn't need government regulation if we are willing to subsidize a high risk pool. Everybody else should be able to get a group rate based on their employment, union or professional association.

Adding genetic information would be less effective than adding other personal information such as whether you go to lots of parties. I totally agree that the insurance companies would like to add genetic garbage to their databases, but I maintain that it is not as effective as other personal data and won't be added just as the personal data is not.

88 posted on 11/18/2003 4:53:54 AM PST by palmer (They've reinserted my posting tube)
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To: Pavlovs Dog
you might want to try not doing any of those things, then you wont run the risk of being a felon.

If you are breathing, talking, or thinking, you will aways run that risk. Think about the creeping hate crime legislation that gradually seeks to make thinking the wrong thing a crime.

I don't think I commited any felonies today, but I did snicker when a guy got on the bus with his "man purse". Hate crime? Not yet, but it's coming. Falling back on the old "don't do anything illegal and you won't have anything to worry about" paradigm isn't a solution. If it were, we wouldn't be in a "free country" arguing about it.

89 posted on 11/20/2003 12:06:37 PM PST by SoulStorms (The mind all logic is like the knife all blade. It cuts the hand that holds it. -- R. Tagore)
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