Respecting the dignity of every human being (Bishop Warner defends ordination of Gene Robinson.)

The Seattle Times ^ | Friday, October 31, 2003 | By Vincent W. Warner

[First Amendment]

I hope the ultimate meaning of the event is that the world realizes that in the Episcopal Church, absolutely no one is barred from full participation.

Absolutely no one is barred? Is this man even slightly in touch with reality? I can see the line at the church door - the pedophiles (they've already convinced academia that they are a-ok), bestiality-afficiondos, brother and sister teams, necrophiles (I mean, it isn't *hurting* anyone!), S&M folks pulling each other on chains (Oh wait, homosexuals are already into that). Then Satan worshippers, regular avowed atheists, santeria and voodoo practitioners, etc etc - he said "Absolutely no one is barred." The dude is a lunatic, and worse, a lunatic playing "let's pretend" in a religious suit.

[First Amendment]

his consecration is a signal that the Episcopal Church acts on the promise made in baptism "to respect the dignity of every human being."

Major doublespeak. As though the "sex" acts that homosexuals engage in (no need to go into details, just keep in mind that such acts include but are not limited to the employment of urine and excrement) in any way "dignify" human existence. Just the reverse, homosexual acts are the most degrading miserable and humiliating anyone can imagine.

[ahadams2]

Confused heresiarch Ping.

[mel]

There are not outcasts unless you are a conservative, then you are treated like a leper

[No_Outcome_But_Victory]

I am sure this man, this bishop, – my bishop – thinks that, by condoning the ordination of Gene Robinson, he is doing the right thing, thinks that he is doing Gods will. While I am not a theologian, not a member of the clergy, just a part of the laity, I think he is mistaken.

Bishop Warner has always tried to get the lead on this issue. He was the first, I believe to have an openly gay Cathedral dean (Robert Taylor).

A former Rector of my previous parish was afraid for the last five years of his ministry that Warner would fire him over his objections to homosexuality.

[kittymyrib]

"Now a bishop must be the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable"...This is the list of requirements God has in I Timothy 3:2. I'd say this "bishop" fails all of them.

[Friend of thunder]

A former Rector of my previous parish was afraid for the last five years of his ministry that Warner would fire him over his objections to homosexuality.

While I disagree strongly with Warner, our Rector has been very outspoken and has not expressed concern about loosing his job because of his belief. He has expressed concern about what might happen if we cut – or in any substantial way alter – ties with the diocese of Olympia; but that is different. I think it is important to differentiate between homosexuality, which is a sin, and homosexuals in positions of leadership, which is an endorsement of sin.

We are all sinners, we are all hell bound, except for the fact that we are washed in the Blood of Christ.

Some Christians – and I am not implying that this includes you or your former Rector – seem to hold homosexuality as a sin apart from all others. As you may know there is a web site called God hates fags. com (all one but I will not link it) this is promoted (I believe) by the Rev(?) Fred Phelps and is at least as heretical as anything Vincent W. Warner or any of the Bishops have said or done. God hates no one. That does not mean no one goes to Hell.

I am ranting now. I have spent most of the day condemning this ordination, and felt a need to proclaim Gods Mercy and Grace. Again this is not directed to you or your former Rector, although from my limited knowledge he may have mistaken in his concern over his job.

[Libertina]

Jesus respected people, but he also commanded them "go and sin no more."

[Libertina]

I should change that - Jesus LOVED people. I doubt he respected our sinful natures - in any of us.

[Libertina]

Your post has the final - and correct - answer. Thank you for that edification.

[No_Outcome_But_Victory]

As you may know there is a web site called God hates fags. com (all one but I will not link it) this is promoted (I believe) by the Rev(?) Fred Phelps and is at least as heretical

Cut and paste from my reply on a thread about an hour ago:

I profoundly disagree with homosexual practice being taught as normal in churches especially. God accepts repentant sinners willing to carry His Son's cross. I don't like the Phelp's group and think they are vile. God hates the sin of homosexual practice, not the sinner who sins. This is the crucial difference.

[ASTM366]

Sodomite Bishop Gene Robinson

The newest leader in the New Age Apostate Church

[Aliska]

still keep their jobs.

And the peoples' contributions will be paying for it.

[Friend of thunder]

God hates the sin of homosexual practice, not the sinner who sins. This is the crucial difference.

Yes, exactly, God hates all sin but no sinner; that is (in part) the Good New.

[Former]

I despise the ordination of V. Gene Robinson, not b/c of V. Gene Robinson, but b/c of what he has let himself 'represent' to the church. He willfully represents the males in our society who choose to live sexually with another, or other males. I cannot accept that as what God intended for us as parents or siblings, or human beings. It doesn't mean you don't love THEM... it does mean that you do not approve of the behavior. By rewarding those who actively live the lifestyle, we, at the same time, put down those who have left it b/c they found it to be miserably sinful. I refuse to support this behavior by the church.