Southern CA fires - Live Thread 10/27

10/27/03 | Myself

[ALOHA RONNIE]

ARNOLD's Promise not to raise taxes, except in time of disaster, is now being attacked.

ARNOLD raises taxes now hurts BUSH in 2004.

[meyer]

The Democrats are playing politics with this disaster.

That's the only thing they know how to do.

[bonesmccoy]

I am well aware of what is occuring.
In fact, we appear to be neighbors.

Davis looks to be in charge to the voter base.

We do not.

The GOP needs to be able to do both if we are to win back the state.

[bonesmccoy]

correct with both statements.
That is precisely why he needs to get out ahead of the Davis work to expand the scope of promises from State.

I repeat: FED needs to take charge of the situation.

[bonesmccoy]

ok

[Duramaximus]

"You need to start your own thread on that topic. I think most people, on this thread, are more worried about the fire than the politics of the 04 election right now. Just my 2 cents."

I agree totally, he needs to give it a rest, and take it to another post. There are those here whose families, homes, and livelihood are at jeaporady in these fires.

[ReagansShinyHair]

The last I heard Big Bear was being evacuated, so I'm assuming that the Old Fire has shifted slightly and is now headed up the mountain.

I read this morning on one of the news websites (I think nbc4), that the Santa Anas were actually helping to keep the fire from engulfing the whole mountain because they were blowing it away and towards the FF. The article basically said that if the wind died down, they'd be in trouble because the whole mountain would catch on fire. I don't know where that article went, though.

[sam I am]

Please update us on what is happening in Crestline.
Thank you

[nicmarlo]

I don't know where this is, but it's in the San Bernardino search site:

Incident: 1046 Type: Report of Fire
Location: SR38 AT AMETHYST ST
Zoom Map: 609 5B
Info as of: 10/27/2003 2:51:34 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
2:28PM - 1039 CDF - WILL NOTIFY COMM CENTER
2:28PM - BLK SMOKE SEEN FROM 38 AT BRYANT

[nicmarlo]

Here's a bit on Big Bear area, most recent (1:26 p.m.) to oldest, that's all there is right now:

Incident: 0148 Type: Lane Closure
Location: INLAND
Zoom Map: Click Here
Info as of: 10/27/2003 2:54:04 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
1:26PM - CORRECTION, 18 AT BIG BEAR DAM HARD CLOSURE, MANDATORY EVACUATIONS OF GREEN VALLEY LAKE, ARROWBEAR, RUNNING SPRINGS
12:16PM - CORRECTION - MANDATORY EVACUATION AT RUNNING SPRINGS, HARD CLOSURE 18/BIG BEAR DAM
12:12PM - SR18 AT RIM FOREST - HARD CLOSURE - NO ENTRY
11:32AM - 173 / 138 IS CLOSED - ONLY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE CAN ACCESS

[bonesmccoy]

yeah...like me???!!!

[ReagansShinyHair]

I've been away from news all day....just came home from work...thought I'd find out what's going on.....post info here....I need to leave here in about 1 hr. 40 mins for awhile....this is very bad, that's all I can say.

No, I wasn't pointing out that you could be posting old info, just that it keeps showing up on the CHP thing as new...which is odd... How many new fires could there be within 24 hours at Limonite and the 15? I saw it myself on the CHP site.

[Looking for Diogenes]

Here is the infrared image from yesterday, 1026,03, for comparison. (This image has been posted before)
Large HiRes JPG

The 'hot spots' seem to be smaller and fewer, but the area burned has grown. The hires versions are detailed enough you can pick out lakes and mountains to figure out precisely where the fire lines have been.

[nicmarlo]

Update on fire at Limonite Avenue (Riverside area)

Incident: 1067 Type: Report of Fire
Location: LIMONITE AV AT NB I15
Zoom Map: 683 5F
Info as of: 10/27/2003 2:56:20 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
2:50PM - PER 11 - THEYRE WILL BE SMALL SECTIONS FLARING UP AT THIS TIME - WILL BE MORE SMOKE THAN NORMAL
2:49PM - BREAK STA>RTED AT 15 NOW
2:47PM - SAME FIELD PER 74-11 - FIRE IS REKINDLING
2:42PM - 12-S4 GETTING HANDLE - VISABILITY STILL LIMITED - REQ A SLOW BREAK -
2:40PM - FD 1097
2:40PM - 1039 CDF
2:37PM - REQ A UNIT TO BRING IN A BREAK
2:37PM - JWO FWY - BRUSH FIRE - NEG VISABILITY ON FWY AT THIS TIME

[bonesmccoy]

it's on KCAL, KTTV, and KCBS... where Gray Davis was appearing for the last hour.

[Trampled by Lambs]

"You idiots!"

Thats great.. Thanks, we need that. I'm sorry for believing that having your house and everything in it burned to the ground transcends politics.

[nicmarlo]

OMG!

[AlBondigas]

Clinton's grandstanding in Florida and other disaster zones got him RE-ELECTED.

Disagree completely:
Running Dole got Clinton reelected

[ReagansShinyHair]

That picture is incredible...