Teen pulling prank killed by neighbor

The Palm Beach Post ^ | Sunday, October 26 | Sarah Eisenhauer and Cynthia Kopkowski

[Djarum]

I give up! Rape me, rob me, kidnap my kids and sell them into slavery.

Individual life and property has no value to communists.

[longtermmemmory]

This is the equivalent of pedestrian running into a busy highway and blaming the drivers for hitting the pedestrian.
Sorry you lost your friend, but since you took the time to register today, your must not have known your friend as much as you thought.

From you desription of the "game", it is intended to cause aprehension. This would only contribute to the defensibility of the man's actions. We still have no independent verification of facts beyond the palm beach post article.

[longtermmemmory]

It should also be mention that a home invasion robber is on the loose in fl. A few weeks ago a man gunned down a husband as a couple returned home. He stole the rolex. He was shot by the wife and the cops ID'd him from the blood. He had done that type of home invasion before.

I am not saying this person thought about that particular criminal but home invasion crime is a fact of life.

[Freedom2specul8]

Adults shouldn't open the door to 6ft tall male or female strangers at 12:30am in the middle of the night.

[Shooter 2.5]

The last time I saw something that bizarre, I think I was watching StarTrek: Enterprise.

Even if some of the pictures aren't dated with hairstyles, I always notice that some of the pictures from the Gun Digest are out of date.

Check the shooting stances and see what I mean. The weak hand wrist hold, the FBI crouch, a exaggerated Isosceles....

My favorite is the .45 hold with the weak index finger in front of the trigger guard. The gun writer has the gun in recoil like it's a magnum.

[Normal4me]

Aw crap! You're supposed to read the Whole article?! I'll take Lazmatazs' defense..:-)

[Frunabulax]

Few adult males posting here would be alive if they had been executed for a stupid prank they pulled as a teenager.

Many, many would-be adult males are not here to post with us precisely because of the stupid pranks that got them killed. Things like this happen on a regular basis. It's a hazard of youth.

The law places more responsibility upon an adult than upon a teenager. There is a good reason for that. Adults are supposed to have more sense.

Not even sensible adults are perfect. In the dark of night a six-foot teenager playing a prank can look exactly like a six-foot maniac holding a gun. Standing around squinting your eyes to make extra sure may get you and your family killed.

The shooter overreacted and caused the death of a minor. Killing someone is not to be a decision taken lightly.

The decision to risk your life and your family's life isn't to be taken lightly either.

Based upon many of the arguments here, I conclude life has been greatly devalued in our country. Shoot first, ask questions later.

Based on your previous statements, I don't think you've made a serious enough effort to understand many of the arguments here.

Live with a clear conscience because your peace was violated and somebody just had to die for it.

I doubt that this man is going to have a clear conscience for a very long while. He didn't kill the kid just because his "peace was violated", he did it because he thought the kid was somebody else.

Hell, it's just somebody's kid. He deserved to be blown away. Throw his prankster body in a box and shovel dirt on him, wash your hands and go on about your daily life. Reload for the next kid.

300+ posts and that's all you got out of it?

[longtermmemmory]

Having seen what family will say on behalf of a defendant in court, I can say that friends will cover for each other.

I have seen so called friends come in to testify that they were just "hanging" outside of the empty house in the neighborhood. (aka crackhouse) No they did not have drugs, no their friend did not drop the drugs on the ground, the video only records them joking, it was all an innocent mistake.


We don't have enough information here. Their "truth" is just a bs push which makes a factual judgment of prosecution into mere politics.

Similar whooping and hollaring happened when a juvenile was shot carjacking a man's car in miami. The same antigun arguments came up. (property, who needs a gun, childish prank, nice kid testimonials from friends.) In the end nothing happened.

[On the Road to Serfdom]

From the discription of the "game" is sounds more likely the kid waited, hiding in the shadows to see guys reaction up close. Then the homeowner saw him and thought it was an ambush.

[longtermmemmory]

In this case this child is still the criminal.

[longtermmemmory]

imagine if the "kid" was not alone, what if there were accomplices in the bushes? One person against 2 or 3 or ?

It only points out that we do not have enough information. Without more the homeowner is innocent.

[Freedom2specul8]

I'm not so sure if that version was started on the thread or the article. Check out this quote from the article...

". Most said they sloughed it off or answered the door, found nobody there and went back to bed."

I again have to ask, how many times did they knock on the guys door....? It seems like he had to have been standing at the door..

[Freedom2specul8]

The home owner should NOT have answered the door. It was the most stupidest thing to do...

[Freedom2specul8]

I meant to say the homeowner must have been waiting at the door...

[On the Road to Serfdom]

Yes, and the whole "He should not open the door" theory is blown if the homeowner looked out and saw that one was there, then opened the door and walked out to see if a friend had rang and started walking away already. This would be natural since he might have taken a little extra time to get there being sleeping when the doorbell rang. Then when he started walking out the kid jumpped out of the shadows/bushes. The kid might have jumped out to start running away, but to the startled homeowner he was jumping out to attack.

[longtermmemmory]

So now we have to ignore our doorbells because of home invaders? What if it was serious? important? an emergency?

[Freedom2specul8]

If the homeowner is concerned that there is an emergency, at 12:30am he or she should have or could have yelled through the door

"Do you need me to call 911?"

In Kansas City, a woman knocked on a door at a similar time and you guessed it..a man overpowered the homeowner after the door was opened.

[On the Road to Serfdom]

>I meant to say the homeowner must have been waiting at the door...

"must have been?" No, he said he was sleeping. There is no evidence he was not. Like I said above, the kid could have been hiding in the shadows close by to see the reaction up close. His friend posted on this very thread how they play the game. They wait there and run AFTER the door is opened. This is different then I played when I was 7 years old (during the day)--I ran as soon as I pushed the button--but his own friend says they wait.

[On the Road to Serfdom]

Who whould he be yelling to if it looked like noone was there?

[Freedom2specul8]

None of us know if that was really his friend..and yes, all we have is the article. Of course I grant you that. I stand by the quote..neighbors opened the door and saw no one there.