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U-Haul Economics (California's Meltdown)
Marketwise Black Box ^ | 10/25/03 | Rick Ackerman

Posted on 10/25/2003 12:18:39 PM PDT by Cicero

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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
I'll keep that in mind when my time comes...
21 posted on 10/25/2003 1:10:22 PM PDT by null and void (Sooner probably later at this rate.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I was renting when I left CA. I also rented for the first 8 years in Colorado, too. D'oh!
22 posted on 10/25/2003 1:10:51 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: coloradan
I was renting when I left CA. I also rented for the first 8 years in Colorado, too.

Oh, OK. My only point was those homes that sold in the early 90s, today will bring twice the price, or more.....Which makes this article kinda laughable....

23 posted on 10/25/2003 1:17:26 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Cicero
Here is a similar article, from www.nationalpost.com:
It's Arnold v. the 'U-Haul indicator'
Popular economics
 
Jason Chow
Financial Post

The cost of renting a 26-foot U- Haul moving truck for a one-way trip from Los Angeles to Las Vegas is US$1,080. The same move in the opposite direction costs only US$133.

To economist Brian Wesbury, the difference in cost is an accurate snapshot of the economic climate in California: People are moving out of the state as opportunity diminishes and few want to move into a slumping economy.

A one-way U-Haul move from Los Angeles to Phoenix costs US$837 while the return costs US$116. San Francisco to Boise: US$2,024. Return trip: US$310.

Compare those rates to what U-Haul charges for the same truck between two Midwestern cities. A U-Haul rental from Chicago and Detroit costs US$419. The return rental is almost identical in price at US$449.

"Obviously, California is having a hard time keeping U-Haul trucks in the state," wrote Mr. Wesbury, in a note to clients.

Mr. Wesbury, who works at brokerage firm Griffin, Kubik, Stephens & Thompson in Chicago, says the Chicago-Detroit rates show the flow of trucks between the two cities is virtually equal when compared with the flow of trucks between California and other western cities.

The Golden State is in a slump, and people are leaving en masse, and Mr. Wesbury says it will prove to be a political test for the state's new governor to equalize the growing disparity in U-Haul rates.

"Arnold Schwarzenegger's success as Governor of California can be measured by his ability to stop migration and bring U-Haul rates back in balance."

While economists usually look at indicators such as personal income growth and state gross domestic product as barometers of economic climate, Mr. Wesbury says such indicators don't accurately portray what's going on at that moment.

Take the example of personal income growth. During the 12-month period ending March, 2003, personal income in California rose 3.5%, while in neighbouring Arizona and Nevada it grew 4.0% and 4.7% respectively.

While the number shows a gap between the states, it also represents a trend that occurred in a past timeframe.

Mr. Wesbury says most indicators fail to depict the here and now. For that, he prefers to look at market prices, such as U-Haul rental rates.

"A much better real time indicator of California's ability to create economic opportunity is the cost of renting a U-Haul truck," he wrote.

"Because markets bring together the decisions of millions, they always provide signals that are much more accurate than forecasters, politicians or the press."

CALIFORNIA EXODUS: The cost of renting a 26 ft. U-Haul truck one way:

Los Angeles to Las Vegas: US$1,080

Las Vegas to Los Angeles: US$133

Los Angeles to Phoenix: US$837

Phoenix to Los Angeles: US$116

Los Angeles to Denver: US$1,908

Denver to Los Angeles: US$498

San Francisco to Boise: US$2,024

Boise to San Francisco: US$310

Chicago to Detroit : US$419

Detroit to Chicago: US$449

Source: Griffin, Kubik, Stephens & Thompson Inc.

jchow@nationalpost.com

© Copyright 2003 National Post

24 posted on 10/25/2003 1:23:53 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: Cicero
Its partly Davis, but Davis wasn't able to control the borders. The Bush administration has not been doing its job on securing the borders.
25 posted on 10/25/2003 1:23:55 PM PDT by Elkhound4
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To: Straight Vermonter
Having recently rented a U-Haul that appeared to be older than me I wouldn't give 10 cents for one going anywhere.

I've got you beat!

I rented a 26 foot u-haul from Cookeville, Tennessee, to Modesto, CA.

It blew a fuel line in San Jone (sp?), New Mexico. They towed it to Tucumcari (sp?), New Mexico. I told the mechanic that the fuel pump guage was reading low. He said it was o.k. Just the fuel line was broken.

Sure enough, in Albequerque, the engine blew. That was around midnight. They said it would be morning before they could get to it, but that I was welcome to wait with the truck. I had my son with me, so I said, "No thanks." I left the truck, and all my worldly possessions, on the interstate.

The next day, they towed it to a u-haul place, only they didn't have another 26 foot truck. They had the next smaller size. They were also supposed to provide movers to help transfer the load.

The next smallest size didn't hold the load, and the "movers" (Mexicans who barely spoke english) got tired and quit. (It was 105 degrees that day.)

Finally, I got the load transferred into the next smaller truck, with the overflow in the bed of my pick-up (which I was towing).

I got back on my way, 3 days late.

This "new" truck had no air conditioning (which was real nice going through the Mojave). Plus, the alternator went out in Flagstaff.

That was another day lost.

I finally made my destination 5 days late, thanks to that junk business known as "U-Haul."

I had maintained my cool throughout the entire ordeal, but I finally lost it when I told the rep that not only was I never going to patronize U-Haul, again, but that I was also going to burn their boxes. (That's funny, since I bought the boxes, anyway.)

26 posted on 10/25/2003 1:26:00 PM PDT by wheelgunguru
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To: monocle
They'll probably come flooding back in after the next Rose Bowl game, as they huddle in their cold dreary towns and watch us out in the sunshine under blue skies watching football outside on New Years Day, without even a sweater.
27 posted on 10/25/2003 1:26:11 PM PDT by halfdome
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I sold my home in Santa Clara in late 2000 for $717k. I just looked on Realtor.com and found several comparable listings within a few blocks of where my old house is, all for about $550k to $600k. The people who bought my house are probably about $100k or more in the hole compared to what they paid. In other words, they are upside down on their mortgage. Just FYI.
28 posted on 10/25/2003 1:27:53 PM PDT by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
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To: halfdome
The reason this indicator works is that for some reason, they don't rent uhaul equipment when they move north into California.
29 posted on 10/25/2003 1:28:56 PM PDT by Elkhound4
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To: RonDog
Mr. Wesbury, who works at brokerage firm Griffin, Kubik, Stephens & Thompson in Chicago, says the Chicago-Detroit rates show the flow of trucks between the two cities is virtually equal when compared with the flow of trucks between California and other western cities.
From www.gkst.com:
Brian S. Wesbury
Brian S. Wesbury
Chief Economist
First Vice President

Brian S. Wesbury, Biographical Sketch [.pdf file]

The Wall Street Journal ranked Wesbury the nation's #1 U.S. economic forecaster in 2001. The Chicago Tribune has called him "Chicago's most prominent New Era Economist." He is regularly featured on CNBC and CNN-fn and is also a contributor to the editorial page at the Wall Street Journal, and his comments and writing have appeared in Barron's, Investor's Business Daily, and Forbes magazine.

In 1995 and 1996, Wesbury served as Chief Economist for the Joint Economic Committee of Congress (JEC), chaired by Senator Connie Mack of Florida. Wesbury has also served as a Vice President and Economist for the Chicago Corporation, and as an Economist for Chicago's Harris Bank. Wesbury's earned a M.B.A. from Northwestern University's Kellogg Graduate School of Management and a B.A. in Economics from the University of Montana.


30 posted on 10/25/2003 1:29:32 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
No, not free. An average coyote makes about $2000 per trip, if not more.
31 posted on 10/25/2003 1:30:29 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Illegals are destroying our country, one coyote at a time.)
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To: coloradan
we left in aug.of 94 breathed a sigh of relief @ the border.
32 posted on 10/25/2003 1:33:10 PM PDT by suzyq5558 (Terri is not in a coma!)
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To: Elliott Jackalope
I sold my home in Santa Clara in late 2000 for $717k. I just looked on Realtor.com and found several comparable listings within a few blocks of where my old house is, all for about $550k to $600k.

Uh, that don't make much sense, as the homes in So, Cal have done nothing but go *up* not down in price since 2000..... LOL.....

33 posted on 10/25/2003 1:34:23 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
So. Cal houses were much cheaper than Silicon Valley houses. As a result, So. Cal houses have gone up in the last few years, while Silicon Valley, being mired in a severe recession, has apparently experienced a slow decline in housing prices.

I'm just telling you what I see with my own eyes. I know what I sold my house for, and I know what virtually identical houses are listing for right now.
34 posted on 10/25/2003 1:38:05 PM PDT by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
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To: wheelgunguru
This "new" truck had no air conditioning (which was real nice going through the Mojave).

LOL. Great line! That had to be unpleasant.

35 posted on 10/25/2003 1:38:48 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: vikingchick
That had to be unpleasant.

It was almost surrealistic. I had never been in the desert (had never been west of Dallas, actually), and it was hotter with the window open than closed.

With the window open, it was like sitting in front of a heater.

It was so hot, (how hot was it?), that the lid on my cooler literally warped.

36 posted on 10/25/2003 1:43:31 PM PDT by wheelgunguru
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To: wheelgunguru
Now I feel all warm and fuzzy about my experience with them, I only broke down once.


37 posted on 10/25/2003 1:43:53 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (We secretly switched ABC news with Al-Jazeera, lets see if these people can tell the difference.)
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To: Elliott Jackalope
Whoops, Santa Clara, I agree, they have dropped in price due to the dotcom.

I misread your post, I read it as Santa Clarita, where homes have gone *way* up in price......

38 posted on 10/25/2003 1:45:44 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Now I feel all warm and fuzzy about my experience with them, I only broke down once.

You know what was really pathetic? After the 26 footer blew the engine, I was waiting in the lot to transfer the load (to a smaller truck).

While I was waiting, the U-haul mechanics started cannibalizing the 26 footer's engine before I even got it unloaded. They had some other inoperable 26 foot trucks they wanted to get back into circulation.

Then they rented some other piece of junk to some unsuspecting putz, and the cycle starts all over again.

That entire company is junk!

39 posted on 10/25/2003 1:55:54 PM PDT by wheelgunguru
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To: Paulus Invictus
Thanks, someone already pointed that out, and then went on to say that it is free once they get here.
It may not be altogether free once they get here, but I would say they get a very good return on their initial investment (to the coyote).
40 posted on 10/25/2003 1:56:17 PM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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