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The Jewish Love Affair With the Democrats

Posted on 10/20/2003 11:18:06 AM PDT by alan alda

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To: alan alda
Give it a few years. The Dems are close to embracing the Arab propaganda in so many ways. Soon they will believe that to win the nomination, they will have to be openly hostile to Israel and get even cozier with the rabid anti-semites.

Most American Jews were raised no only on the Democratic party myths, but also on the Israeli socialist myths -- the magical success of the kibutzim. Communist utopias. It takes a generation or two more to deprogram.

You have to be understanding. Jews were killed and kicked out of so many places, a radical socialist agenda was inspiring. Now, it is sentiment and peer pressure.

Give it another generation, but do not be surprised if GWB gets a majority of Jewish votes next year. Survival has a way of getting one's attention.
21 posted on 10/20/2003 1:11:16 PM PDT by Starrgaizr
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To: OldFriend
For the same reason that the people of D.C. re-elected Mayor Barry and the people of Philadelphia will re-elect Mayor Street.

You left out the Irish Catholics in Mass that yank the lever forTeddy
22 posted on 10/20/2003 1:18:36 PM PDT by uncbob ( building tomorrow)
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To: alan alda
Interesting article. One set of dots that I did not see connected:

Republicans = right wing = fascist = nazi.

This drum is constantly beaten by the democrats and the liberal media. I can't help but think this would explain at least some of this phenomenon since WWII.
23 posted on 10/20/2003 2:50:23 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (And always let our conscience be your guide.)
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To: Javelina
Are they practicing Reform Jews, or do they have an eruv in their neighborhood?
24 posted on 10/20/2003 4:14:17 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: uncbob
Oops, you're right! Collective idiocy! What else could it be. It's just so darned self destructive......and bad for America too!
25 posted on 10/20/2003 4:17:32 PM PDT by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: Little Bill
Riddle me this: Why would two of the most successful ethnic groups in the US work against their own best interests

How many times I gotta say it: Did being successful in a country help the Jews when Hitler came to power?

26 posted on 10/20/2003 6:52:34 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Little Bill
And therefore they may see their "own best interest" as breaking the White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant monopoloy over politics.

And so they side with other minorities, which they may naively suppose will repay the favor. (Maybe they will, maybe they won't--but such is the world of alliances of any kind.)
27 posted on 10/20/2003 6:56:08 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Little Bill
And finally, prejudice can work both ways.

And strong dislike trumps common sense.
28 posted on 10/20/2003 6:57:06 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
This ain't Germany and as close as I can deturmine, in the close to 400 years that my family has been here, we haven't killed any Jews for being Jewish, whether Reform, Conservitive, or Traditional Tora following types.

I think that you need to study US History a little more closely, public school grad no doubt.

29 posted on 10/20/2003 7:08:26 PM PDT by Little Bill ("Grab them by the throat and them kick them in the Butt."...Patton)
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To: Age of Reason
I have wondered about this subject for quite some time. You just about have the answer though. Let’s face it the Jews have for whatever reason been through a lot of ordeals. But that was then, and this is now. America would never allow Jews to be persecuted on a large scale today. Since it's usually been the government that has been the source of the persecution I believe they think if they control it they are safe.

I also think they are horrified by the prospect of a WASP ruling class, and maybe they think they can gain strength by having a major influence on other groups. But why? Jewish people embrace many of the qualities that make America great. If any group personifies what can be done in a free society, it’s The Jews. I guess I’m what could be called a WASP, except I sure as hell don’t rule, and I don’t see much difference in our ideas about how to succeed in a free society. As far as religion goes, I, think most Americans could care less about your beliefs.
30 posted on 10/20/2003 7:22:56 PM PDT by dix
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To: Little Bill
Until a few decades ago, there were quotas on Jews in major universities in the US.
31 posted on 10/20/2003 7:56:07 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: mvpel
I am a WASP and I couldn't get into those schools either no matter what my grade point average was,
32 posted on 10/20/2003 8:04:50 PM PDT by Little Bill ("Grab them by the throat and them kick them in the Butt."...Patton)
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To: dix
America would never allow Jews to be persecuted on a large scale today.

IF true, it is in-part because of the championing of the democrat party by the Jews.

America would never allow Jews to be persecuted on a large scale today.

Many Germans, including German Jews, despite the rise of Nazism, also believed that a country as civilized as theirs would never do what that country did.

I guess I’m what could be called a WASP, except I sure as hell don’t rule

Every president of the United States has been White, Anglo-Saxon, and mostly protestant.

Conincidence or evidence of WASP domination of politics?

33 posted on 10/20/2003 8:49:51 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Little Bill; dix
This ain't Germany and as close as I can deturmine, in the close to 400 years that my family has been here, we haven't killed any Jews for being Jewish

"Leo Max Frank was arrested on April 27, 1913, the morning after Confederate Memorial Day. A grotesquely engineered trial led to Frank's conviction and a sentence of death by hanging. After Governor John Slaton's commutation of the death sentence, Frank was transferred, for his own safety, to a prison farm in Milledgeville, Georgia. On the night of August 16, 1915 at 11 p.m., a gang of twenty-five men, some of Marietta, Georgia's 'best citizens,' wearing goggles and hats pulled down low, pulled Frank from a hospital bed (he had been hospitalized for a near fatal, seven-inch knife wound to his throat.) They placed him, feeble, undressed, and handcuffed, in one of four waiting cars and departed for Marietta, intending to hang him over the monument of Mary Phagan. Frank, often described as stoic, sufficiently impressed two of the lynchers with his sincerity and innocence that they advocated his return to the prison farm. The mob, minus the few who 'mutinied,' drove into a grove just outside Marietta, selected a mature oak, swung the rope over a limb, stood Frank on a table, and kicked it out from beneath him.

"Postcards of the lynched Leo Frank were sold outside the undertaking establishment where his corpse was taken, at retail stores, and by mail order for years. The owner of the property where the lynching occurred refused repeated offers to buy the tree from which Leo Frank was hung. The dean of the Atlanta Theological Seminary praised the murderers as 'a sifted band of men, sober, intelligent, of established good name and character - good American citizens.' The mob included two former Superior Court justices, one ex-sheriff, and at least one clergyman.

"Leo Frank was posthumously pardoned in 1985."

Click the postcard for the source.

34 posted on 10/20/2003 8:52:52 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: alan alda
this ain't an article,this is a book
what was there, a million words ?....
35 posted on 10/20/2003 8:54:42 PM PDT by cars for sale
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To: Age of Reason
I’m a little disappointed you can’t do better than such weak responses, but let’s go point by point.

1. If the democrat party has had any influence on Jews it has been negative. Jews are where they are because they are respected, and because they are good, moral, productive citizens. In other words fine Americans.
2. As far as the persecution thing goes do you really think so low of your fellow Americans that they would allow anything close to what happened in Germany to take place today. Thanks a lot for the confidence you have in your neighbors.
3. As far as me being a WASP, and not having any influence. Do you really think I have more influence in matters than you? As far as there only being WASP presidents. What can I say? If memory serves Jews are about 2% of the populations. Why haven’t there been any Indians, Mexicans, or whatever that have run for President. BTW Barry Goldwater was a Jew, and if I would have been old enough I would have been first in line to vote for him.

Somebody has convinced you that you are the victim of some sort of mass discrimination, and that all of us WASP types are just waiting to denounce Jews. The truth of the matter is I don’t think most people ever think about whether anybody is a Jew. I don’t know about what is going on with the rest of the world, and the Jews, but you are totally accepted, loved not more, but as much as anybody else who is an American. The only people I have ever heard of who feel that way about Jews are black radicals, and white power types. Neither on of those groups have any ability to discriminate against anybody. I guarantee you if someone utters a racial slur in polite company today they are roundly condemned.
36 posted on 10/21/2003 8:15:37 PM PDT by dix
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To: dix
As far as the persecution thing goes do you really think so low of your fellow Americans that they would allow anything close to what happened in Germany to take place today.

You've just reinforced my conviction that it can happen here.

I know you don't know why--and that's why.

37 posted on 10/21/2003 8:21:18 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: dix
Somebody has convinced you that you are the victim of some sort of mass discrimination

I am not Jewish.

Nor do I have any special interest in things Jewish.

You asked a question, and I gave you my observations.

38 posted on 10/21/2003 8:27:15 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
I’m afraid this ole Texas boy is as slow thinking as he is talking, so please explain where I’m missing the boat on this. How by any of my statements have I reinforced your conviction that what happened in Germany could happen today? I am truly not trying to be sarcastic, so please enlighten me.
39 posted on 10/21/2003 8:31:31 PM PDT by dix
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To: dix
. How by any of my statements have I reinforced your conviction that what happened in Germany could happen today?

Because you have not learned from history.

And so you are vulnerable to repeating history.

What happened to the Jews in Germany can happen anywhere to any minority given the right pressures on a population and a clever manipulator of the resulting rage.

40 posted on 10/21/2003 8:44:17 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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