"China space shot a warning for West" (Brit historian sees dawn of Chinese Century)

London Sunday Telegraph ^ | Oct. 19, 03 | Andrew Roberts

[RightWhale]

Thanks for the evaluation of the mood of the people. When I was teaching English to Chinese grad students a few years ago, that is the impression I got also. The only one who wanted to stay in America needed a sponsor, which he was having trouble finding.

[appeal2]

I was there 7 years ago. I heard this from tour guides, the elite of Chinese society. They know they are not free and have no respect for the gov't.

[Rebelbase]

"China's problem will be industrial power. Oil and natural gas mainly"

Japan had that same problem in the 1930's.

[Rebelbase]

"China's problem will be industrial power. Oil and natural gas mainly"

Japan had that same problem in the 1930's.

[appeal2]

If you look at insurance company auto theft reports, you would see that auto is down by more than half. Are the auto carriers lying to protect the NYPD. Are they lying on their financial statements and underplaying how much they are paying out in claims.

Yes I do take the subways. They are nowhere near as fearful as they used to be. I go to court in the Bronx on the formerly "Grand" Concourse. Back in the early 90's when your hero Dinkins was running things the Court Officers were afraid to eat lunch there. Now go there during lunchtime and see the field of blue and whites.

Go to Washington Square Park or Tomkins Square Park. No junkies and drug dealers to be found. You can actually bring your kids.

Harlem and the Bronx, sure there are still rough areas, but the South Bronx is being regenerated.

Look at Times Square. You can walk around there 24/7 and not be in fear for your life. Before RG it was worth your life. I know, my office was there for 25 years. So don't tell me.

You are just a lurker here. It is quite obvious.

[Rebelbase]

"Not necessarily, they might invade Taiwan. The prospect of acquiring a wife is a good incentive for a man."\

Booty and plunder have been age old incentives to make armies wage war.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

They're not ready for a real lunar base. Twenty years, minimum, and that is contingent on a lunar base showing value.

[Rebelbase]

"It's a recipe for disaster."

Yes indeed. As America bleeds its intellect it opens up greater opportunity for Chicom sleepers to become integrated within our domestic science programs that now require foreign skills and intellect.

The end reslult is that National Security has a great risk of being comprised by our lack of internal control.

[B-Chan]

Sure, they’re in orbit now, and it’s an impressive accomplishment for which they deserve congratulations — but our guys were playing golf on the moon when China’s first astronaut was still running around the playground in his crotchless pajamas.

I’m not worried about the Chinese military/government space program, because we Americans are going into the space business, and business always moves faster than do government programs. By the time the government in Peking gets around to setting up the first lunar ping-pong tournament, we’ll have a privately-owned space railroad up and running, carrying freight and passengers into space for the price of a first-class ticket to Europe. The space railway will play the same role in the opening of the moon, Mars, asteroids, and planets that the transcontinental railroads played in the colonization of the American West. Once that space railway is built, the solar system will be ours.

[B-Chan]

Please, sir. Spare us the conspiracy theory.

The surface of the moon is made of granulated rock — a layer of loose regolith on top of a layer of steel-hard rock and compressed powder. The Lunar Module’s tiny engine (9,900 lbs thrust) was powerful enough to blow the top layer of powder away, but nowhere near hot or energetic enough to gouge out a crater in the compacted regolith beneath it. Asking “where‘s the crater?” underneath the Lunar Module makes as much sense as asking why a jet airliner’s engines (roughly 18,500-23,500 lbs thrust x 2 engines for a B727) don’t blow a hole in a concrete runway every time one takes off. The answer is that neither vehicle’s engines produces anywhere near enough thrust to blast out a crater in a hard surface.

[B-Chan]

There is a typo in my previous post. The phrase “roughly 18,500-23,500 lbs thrust x 2 engines for a B727” should read “roughly 18,500-23,500 lbs thrust x 2 engines for a B737”. (A B727 has three engines, not two as does the B737.) Sorry for the mistake.

[theFIRMbss]

>Please, sir ... The Lunar Module’s tiny engine (9,900 lbs thrust) was powerful enough to blow the top layer of powder away, but nowhere near hot or energetic enough to gouge out a crater

Without tin foil, why
would the internet exist?
(The crater "question"

still applies. Some pics
show moon dust at the landing,
footsteps by the LEM,

that kind of thing. So,
it wasn't blown away by
engines at landing.

Then why don't we see
a specific depression
in whatever's there?)

[B-Chan]

The crater "question" still applies. Some pics show moon dust at the landing, footsteps by the LEM, that kind of thing. So, it wasn't blown away by engines at landing. Then why don't we see a specific depression in whatever's there?

The dust beneath the LM was blown away by the engine’s jet exhaust, leaving bare rock and tightly-compacted regolith there. (As I explained previously, no crater was formed in the rock and regolith beneath the LM because the LM engine wasn’t stron enough to blast a crater into it.)

As for the footprints: the dust surrounding the LM wasn’t directly under the engine and therefore did not get blown away. Remember, the Moon has no atmosphere to speak of; only the dust that was directly beneath the LM's exhaust plume would be affected by it. Other dust (even if it were only a few feet away) would be undisturbed by the engine blast because there is no “wind” to carry the force of the engine’s exhaust.

[Leatherneck_MT]

Let us get Government out of Business and personal lives and put it back in the box it belongs in, and we would Bury the Chinese.

Our government is our own worst enemy, not the Chinese.

[theFIRMbss]

>only the dust that was directly beneath the LM's exhaust plume would be affected by it. Other dust (even if it were only a few feet away) would be undisturbed by the engine blast

As denials go,
that's "plausible." [!] But the moon
has a kind of thing

called a "rayed crater."
The idea is, impacts
and disturbances

spread material
visibly and great distance
in low gravity.

NASA doesn't show
any crater or debris
blown from the landing.

[Eric Paul]

Seven years ago this was true but no longer. Tour guides are still a respected position but no longer the elite of society. The elite consist of upper party members as usual and now businessmen. No longer do most of them wish to leave. The party members of course do not wish to go. The businessmen see where the action is and also wish to stay. I think it is interesting to note that businessmen were officially granted membership in the proletariat about four years ago. The new course for the party seems to be very inclusive; they want all the money makers in their corner. I went on a tour a couple of weeks ago and that tour guide did not wish to leave the country. Instead she went on and on about how much better things had been getting over the past few years.

[theFIRMbss]

>The elite consist of upper party members as usual and now businessmen

During the Third Reich,
there was a lot of conflict
between businessmen

and party members.
Speer says the early "success"
of the Nazis was

because businessmen
were empowered to work free,
but that same success

also empowered
the NAZI party, which then
began usurping

and undercutting
rational business controls.
When "party thinking"

dominated all,
the Reich started to crumble,
and then fell apart.

This same dynamic --
business success followed by
political crash --

may play itself out
in China -- their successes
may lead to their crash...