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Donald Trump Comes Out Of Iowa Looking Like Pat Buchanan
FiveThirtyEight ^ | February 2, 2016 | Nate Silver

Posted on 02/02/2016 3:56:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: TigerClaws

Trump’s platform is Trump first.


41 posted on 02/02/2016 4:56:35 PM PST by wny
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To: Biggirl

“Yet the NH polls shows Trump ahead.”

As long as Trump is ahead in the “polls” and not in actual election that matters, by all means. When the rubber meets the road, Trump is Toast.


42 posted on 02/02/2016 5:02:36 PM PST by sagar (Trump is rotting and the stench is unbearable. Time to DUMP TRUMP!)
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To: SmokingJoe
Losing is losing. It don't matter if Denver wins the Super bowl by 1 point or by 20 points. They still win it. Equally, if the Panthers lose by 1 point they still lose. Get it?

You're looking at each state race in isolation. But each individual state result is meaningless in isolation, save for some possible effects on momentum and $$$$ contributions.

After last night, the delegate count is Cruz(8), Trump(7), Rubio(7). If the Broncos are leading the Panthers 8 to 7 at the end of the first quarter, they have not "won" anything but a point lead and possibly some great momentum going forward.

Iowa was just Game 1 of a 50-game match, with Cruz now leading by one point. Nobody is anywhere near winning anything yet.

43 posted on 02/02/2016 5:05:53 PM PST by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: SunkenCiv

Pot, meet kettle.


44 posted on 02/02/2016 5:15:51 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: taildragger
True. Illegal immigration, globalization, immigration, free trade etc, etc. Buchanan was ahead of his time.

Trump and Cruz have followed similar themes, though they certainly lack the conviction Buchanan had.

45 posted on 02/02/2016 5:29:00 PM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: John Valentine

Cruz’s total votes last night were the highest ever for a Republican, higher than any previous caucus in IOWA.

Guess what, 5,000 votes behind him was the second biggest Republican vote getter of all Time Donald J. Trump.

I don’t think that was a humiliating performance. Cruz spent tons of money and had 12,000 Texans camping out for a month to help him. Ministers were ordering whole Churches to get to the polls.

Trump spend the second least per vote , amazing, he didn’t have 12,000 people camped out, or congregations being ordered to the polls.

If Branstad had endorsed Trump, used his political machine built over the past 20 years, all his State employees given marching orders to help get Trump elected it would have leveled the playing field. Branstad was to cute and gutless to go all in for Trump, and we know he didn’t want Cruz. Branstad was the biggest loser of the night. IOWA pick Cruz and thus will go 20 years picking a loser. All those losers on Branstad’s watch.


46 posted on 02/02/2016 5:36:44 PM PST by Zenjitsuman (A)
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To: erkelly
The CARSON DIRTY TRICK by TED CRUZ gave Cruz at least 3-4 thousand votes which would otherwise have gone to Carson, and Trump would have won.

The GOPe has already said publicly their plan to rob Trump if he goes into the convention with the delegate count required to win. I'm sure in Republican controlled voting precincts in Iowa the GOPe "lost" some Trump votes, and "found" some Cruz votes, or some combination of the electioneering that in the 21st century the Dems have mastered.

(The "mailer" dirty trick was originally used by Obama in 2008)

PS FWIW: Iowa has gone Democrat in EVERY presidential ELECTION SINCE 1988 except GWB re-election year, when Iowa went Republican by literally a few hundred votes. I'm trying to figure out where all those Cruz evangelicals are in a state that is SOLID BLUE.

47 posted on 02/02/2016 5:54:58 PM PST by gg188 (Ted Cruz, R - Goldman Sachs)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can not understand how he lost, he had huge rallies. Really huge.


48 posted on 02/02/2016 6:08:44 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Zenjitsuman

Trump underperformed the polling; that’s a fact. But still, as you correctly point out he scored an impressive second place.

What I don’t get is the sudden media infatuation with Rubio. It seems a bit insincere to me.

As for Cruz’s chances going forward, you would be making a huge mistake to discount them as you seem to do. It’s far more likely that Trump’s thin glossy surface will start to wear off, and the real Trump start showing through.

Let’s talk again mid-March and compare notes.


49 posted on 02/02/2016 6:16:06 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah...but what if Cruz’s dirty trick with Carson’s supporters netted him some votes he otherwise wouldn’t have gotten? He might not have ended up the winner after all.


50 posted on 02/02/2016 6:26:48 PM PST by Yashcheritsiy (You can't have a constitution without a country to go with it)
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To: TigerClaws

Yeah, it’s a shame Pat didn’t win back in 1996, when we still had a chance to rescue this country from the demographic and economic nightmare it is becoming.


51 posted on 02/02/2016 6:27:32 PM PST by Yashcheritsiy (You can't have a constitution without a country to go with it)
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To: John Valentine

Lots of EX NY. people live in FL. PA. NJ. NV where I live at least 125k. Polls show IA was bigoted against NY. folks. Ted must have poll tested that one.

Ted said Trump was for Obamacare, Trump corrected that lie today in Milford NH. Ted said 6 mo. ago Trump was for Amnesty. Hey, Trump is in this race for 6 months.

I think Ted is the Second Coming of Dick “Tricky” Nixon.


52 posted on 02/02/2016 6:30:17 PM PST by Zenjitsuman (A)
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To: John Valentine

Lots of EX NY. people live in FL. PA. NJ. NV where I live at least 125k. Polls show IA was bigoted against NY. folks. Ted must have poll tested that one.

Ted said Trump was for Obamacare, Trump corrected that lie today in Milford NH. Ted said 6 mo. ago Trump was for Amnesty. Hey, Trump is in this race for 6 months.

I think Ted is the Second Coming of Dick “Tricky” Nixon.


53 posted on 02/02/2016 6:30:58 PM PST by Zenjitsuman (A)
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To: erkelly
Wait, didn’t Trump come in second, ending up with one less delegate than Cruz? How is that being taken out? And, I still can’t help but wonder if there were not some irregularities of some sort, given the polling data!

It's big news because the fact is, Cruz came <---> this close to being edged out in the state that was supposed to be a slam dunk for him. Cruzers everywhere are breathing a huge sigh of relief.

I saw an interesting idea, I think it was on Ace of Spades HQ, that the media may have been artificially pumping up Trump's numbers in the last week of Iowa polling to create a false impression that he was rising in the polls so that when he didn't win, it would serve as a huge "let down" to deflate his momentum.

54 posted on 02/02/2016 6:32:33 PM PST by Yashcheritsiy (You can't have a constitution without a country to go with it)
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To: 1rudeboy
Trump does indeed have Buchanan's plan. We must raise taxes on ourselves to save jobs.

Instead of tariffs lets keep tinkering with that Marxist income tax you love.

55 posted on 02/02/2016 6:34:52 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: TigerClaws

RE:

Hate to tell you but Trump is all NAFTA


56 posted on 02/02/2016 6:36:27 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (Ná tabhair shilíní le muca nó comhairle do amadáin)
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To: TigerClaws

I agree. Buchanan was right. Iowa was a wash and more of a empty victory. Cruz deserves credit for proving the worth of his machine. I like Cruz. I don’t even hate Rubio. I just don’t think they will seriously address the immigration issue. Both are receiving so much money for billionaires who don’t want it. Now of course they both will go through the motions but when it comes down to fighting to stop illegal immigration I’m not convinced they will have what it takes. Rubio especially doesn’t have what it takes. Hell he’d been in the Senate no time at all before he was snuggling up to Schumer.

Trump gets the issues that matter more to the future of this nation than any others. Whether it is jobs lost to bad trade deals or illegal immigration America can not recover while these issues remain unfixed. America as we know it is ceasing to exist. Even in Virginia immigration has transformed the once red state into a purple one. What fools we are if we elect people who will replace Americans with people from cultures who have no desire to assimilate?


57 posted on 02/02/2016 6:49:35 PM PST by Maelstorm (America wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me Liberty or cut me a government check!".)
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To: central_va

I’m talking straight-up supply side economics. You don’t understand it. That’s why you resort to the red herring.


58 posted on 02/02/2016 7:04:31 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: John Valentine

At least you’ve self-identified.


59 posted on 02/02/2016 10:53:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: SmokingJoe

More than 1200 delegates needed to nominate, get it?


60 posted on 02/02/2016 10:54:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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