Posted on 01/17/2016 4:30:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
“True dat. Trump’s mother was a natural born British citizen. When she was naturalized, she never took the steps to have Great Britain rescind her British citizenship. She thus had dual citizenship and divided loyalties—thus precluding Trump from being a natural born citizen.”
That is a false statement. His mother renounced her British citizenship when she signed the U.S. form that includes an oath that renounces her former citizenship.
“If you don’t need to be naturalized, you’re natural-born. “
Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, and Rick Santorum are all naturalized U.S. citizens; so they are not natural born citizens, and they are not eligible for POTUS.
That is not a requirement...
“That’s been a generally accepted fact for over 100 years....if you’re a citizen at birth either through jus soli (right of birthplace), or jus sanguinis (right of blood) you are a NBC.”
No, that is an entirely false statement. Birth abroad has never produced a natural born citizen or natural born subject, except when the foreign birth occurred within the allegiance of the sovereign; e.g. royals, ambassadors, and other person enjoying diplomatic immunity against allegiance the foreign sovereign. Instead, such persons born abroad were born as alien citizens or as naturalized citizens, and never as natural born citizens otheer than the named exceptions.
“My own understanding of Natural born citizenship is simply to be born to two current Americans parents wherever they are at the time. What is so hard to understand about this?”
Your understanding is dead wrong. Birth abroad with two citizen parents or with one citizen parent only results in the statutory privilege of acquiring U.S. citizenship by naturalization at birth. Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, and Rick Santorum acquired their U.S. citizenship by the authority of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act, which makes them naturalized U.S. citizens. Their naturalized citizenship is the exact opposite in meaning from a natural born citizen. They have the same POTUS ineligibility problem as Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Since Trump has stated multiple times he believes Obama to be qualified, he must think Obama’s mom gave him the blood birthright, but Cruz’s mom did not.
Both had non-citizen dads.
“On this Trump is wrong. Both of Rubio’s parents were non-citizens. Cruz, however, had an American mother.”
Ted Cruz acquired U.S. citizenship by the authority of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952 as a naturalized at birth U.S. citizen, using his descent from his U.S. citizen mother. This makes Ted Cruz a naturalized U.S. citizen and not the exact opposite, which is a natural born citizen. Ted Cruz is just as ineligible for POTUS as another naturalized U.S. citizen, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Here is the actual rule, I believe...
There is a 5 year residency requirement for the offspring to be a natural born citizen...
The only reason Trump wants to claim that Cruz isn’t qualified is because Cruz represents Trump’s strongest opponent. This ploy of Trump has caused me to have serious doubts about him. I can see Democrats employing this deception. Trump doing it is deplorable.
Wrong.
On the contrary, there has never been a time in Anglo-America history when a child born abroad was a natural born citizen or natural born subject, except with respect to royalty, ambassadors, other persons enjoying diplomatic immunity, or who were also enjoying diplomatic immunity that prevented the child from being born with allegiance to the foreign sovereign. Such persons have always been aliens, naturalized subjects, naturalized nationals, or naturalized citizens.
Remember Mississippi.
“Britain rescinded the permanent allegiance and permanent citizenship laws shortly after the United States did so not long after the American Civil War in the 19th Century. Trump’s mother renounced her British citizenship when she took the oath at the time she naturalized a a U.S. citizen.
Trump is getting scared!
I agree with you and thought that was what I was saying in my post. I just didn’t mention the naturalization process, but only Natural Born Citizenship. I realize these people have been “naturalized”, and/or in Cruz’ case, retained dual citizenship. Right?
From what I’ve read, Heidi Cruz was a “term” member of the CFR. That’s a membership category restricted to people younger than 40. I think Mrs. Cruz hit 40 at around the time her husband was elected to the Senate, so her “term” membership would have expired at that time. I didn’t read anywhere that she went for a full CFR membership.
Yes, I believe that was what I was told upthread and I haven’t checked upthread, but seems I was told her CFR thing was while serving a position with a Houston bank, not Goldman.
Every story is conflicting when it comes to the Cruz’.
“The Trump argument is that a person is not a US citizen by birth if he is not born in this country. That one of the parents is an American is not a qualification (not sure about both parents).”
“Can you imagine the thousands of persons who would now not be citizens?”
No, because you have totally misunderstood and misconstrued the argument, and that is not what Trump or others have said.
Ted Cruz is a U.S. citizen by the authority of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952. This fact makes Ted Cruz a naturalized at birth citizen. A naturalized U.S. citizen is the antithesis of a natural born citizen by definition. Naturalized U.S. citizens, whether naturalized at birth or after birth, are not natural born citizens and are not eligible for POTUS.
Congress can not do a good-faith investigation. They already certified Obama who is not a natural born citizen. Any investigation of the original understanding, intent, etc. would prove that. They won’t touch this at this time.
Obama and Cruz are not natural born citizens, and neither are eligible for POTUS.
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