Posted on 12/10/2015 6:33:26 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
{”Also on immigration with Cruz telling folks that we’ll find out what he wants to do with illegal aliens in the country only after we vote for him”}
You must be Rubio because that’s not true.
In fact, I just listened to his one-hour National Security speech this a.m. and he was very clear, has been very clear. In fact, last week he voted to support Rand Paul’s moratorium on immigration (introduced prior to Trump’s statement).
On the contrary, if Trump wasn't in the race, Cruz would still be telling folks-- as he was in March-- that he supports legalizing illegal aliens after he "secures the border." Now he's terrified to give an opinion on the subject.
That doesn't happen if Cruz was a leader.
It's also a joke to think that Cruz would own the media like Trump does. Trump owns the media. Nobody else can touch it. Not even Newt could do it.
Cruz voters, including self, have been pretty supportive of Trump.
The reverse is not always true and some get pretty, well, feisty, to be kind.
Truly Trump is not a conservative but a populist. He might make conservative decisions. Anyway, I believe he has the best interest of the country at heart, unlike the current WH resident. Nevertheless, like you, I prefer Cruz.
It's true:
CHUCK TODD: You still didn't say what you’d do with the 11 million.
TED CRUZ: Well, my view is first, we secure the borders and solve the problem of illegal immigration. And then I think we can have a conversation about what to do about the people who remain here. I don't think the American people will accept any solution until we demonstrate step number one, we can secure the border.
CHUCK TODD: So anything's on the table? Potentially deportation or not deportation, but anything's on the table for the 11 million–
TED CRUZ: I think we should secure the border and then have a conversation at that point. Stop using the Washington approach of I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. The American people aren't going for it.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/05/ted-flops-cruz-falls-asked-solve-immigration-problem.html
"While Cruz may not support legalization, he hasn't definitively ruled it out. His position, his campaign said, is that he'll refuse to even discuss what to do with the undocumented population until the border is secure."
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-11-13/did-ted-cruz-actually-support-legal-status-for-undocumented-immigrants-
"Texas Sen. Ted Cruz declined to close the door to a potential pathway to legal status for the 11 million people in the U.S. illegally Friday, saying he wouldn’t elaborate on his plans for them until after the border is secure."
http://time.com/4123317/ted-cruz-immigration-reform-amnesty/
"Asked by msnbc about where Cruz stands now on legalization, campaign spokeswoman Catherine Frazier said that the senator has been "consistent" and confirmed that the views he expressed in the Tribune had not changed. She described his amendment to the Senate "gang of eight" bill as an effort "to improve a very bad bill" that he ultimately opposed. While Frazier said Cruz fought the bill's path to citizenship because it 'flies in the face of the rule of law,' she declined to apply the same label when asked about legal status in the right circumstances.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ted-cruz-hasnt-ruled-out-legal-status-undocumented-imigrants
In fact, I just listened to his one-hour National Security speech this a.m. and he was very clear, has been very clear.
More than likely you're letting Cruz talk about amnesty or certain types of illegals (terrorists, "criminal" illegals), and are making assumptions about how he defines these terms. Cruz defines them then doesn't tell you he's redefined them when you hear his speeches.
No, what they’re deluding themselves with is the idea that a base candidate who is loathed by RINOs and who repels Democrats and Independents can be elected President
It looks like Trump may have problems with independent voters
Independent voters, a key voting bloc, are not especially enthusiastic about either a Clinton or a Trump presidency, but more are concerned or scared about Trump (67 percent) than they are about Clinton (59 percent).
I have been saying for weeks that Cruz will win Iowa, that a media circle jerk will ensue over the “end of Trump” for eight days until Trump blows out the doors in NH.
I do not believe Cruz will win any primaries after Iowa.
I wouldn't even think of attacking Trump as an "inconsistent conservative" because Trump is in no way a Conservative at all! If I had to describe his ideology, I'd call him an Opportunist.
I appreciate the guy for poking his finger in the eye of the political correct mafia, (that was long overdue) but IMHO, Trump in office would not be much different than we have right now.
I honestly don't believe Donald Trump believes in anything other than Donald Trump. But even at that, he'd be better than Hillary. ;~)) He's a populist opportunist which is the same damn thing that Obama was in 2008... say what ever necessary to capitalize on the moment.
I do not believe Cruz will win any primaries after Iowa.
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Well, possibly not. But I want him to win enough delegates in the “proportionate” states so that their numbers can be added to Trump’s delegate count with the total being big enough of a majority that there is NOTHING that the RNC & GOPe can do to upend things.
We need to recognize that we cannot trust the GOPe and its operatives. To borrow the wise name of a book from several years ago...THEY CAN’T CHEAT IF IT’S NOT CLOSE!
May your days upon this forum be short...
I would have to call you a clown to utter such an idiotic opinion.
Objectively, I have no idea beyond Iowa. One can look at Iowa and see polls, organization, endorsements and those Iowa inside experts who say Cruz has the evangelical and conservative vote. So, as you know, that’s usually good enough to win Iowa.
After that, I don’t know. That 30-35% Trump support may be real, it may not be. I’ve seen analysis that up to a 1/3 of his support is younger people and folks who normally don’t vote. Will they show up?
I would think that Iowa will be a good measure. If Trump wins, or achieves his Iowa polling mark, then certainly there would be no reason to believe he wouldn’t reach his poll marks elsewhere. If he comes in well below his poll mark- then, it might be that his polling won’t translate into actual votes.
And, as I said- I have no idea how that plays out. I support Cruz, but if Trump were to win— he’s surely better than the rest.
“Vander is a bit senile. Cruz can’t unite the conservative base because Trump is in the race. Cruz cannot get moderate or liberal support because Trump has all their support. Cruz can’t get blue collar or Union support because Trump is getting blue collar and union support. Nor is Cruz’s infratructure better than Trump’s. Cruz can’t get non-voters to become voters because he’s dull and sounds scripted.
What these people are deluding themselves with is the idea that the same old same old group of people who helped Santorum win Iowa will help Cruz win Iowa. But the total number of Santorum caucusers, for example, barely matches the population of just one of Trump’s rallies.
These people are running a tent-revival sort of campaign, with the same people who go to tent revivals, and while that might have worked in Iowa in the past, it’s not going to work anymore.”
Exactly right. And bears repeating, which I just did above, lol.
“I agree with trump’s policies he copied from Cruz.”
Nice try, toots. It’s the exact opposite. Cruz has been following Trump around, parroting him at every turn. Cruz is the mimic here. To think otherwise is delusional.
This is YUGE and HUGH and SERIES, correct?
“Independent voters, a key voting bloc, are not especially enthusiastic about either a Clinton or a Trump presidency, but more are concerned or scared about.”
You believe a CBS/NYSlimes poll? Geez. Trump is leading among Independents in virtually all polls so far.
“He’s a populist opportunist which is the same damn thing that Obama was in 2008... say what ever necessary to capitalize on the moment.”
Read his 16 books, know-it-all. Trump has been remarkably consistent in his core beliefs for years.
“Ted Cruz on Thursday warned against the deployment of U.S. forces in the Middle East in hopes of creating democracy, nodding to a portion of the Republican Party exhausted with military escapades abroad.”
The above just said by Cruz, and directly stolen from what Trump has been saying for years.
Another example of why what you said: “I agree with trump’s policies he copied from Cruz” is baloney, as Cruz rips off Trump constantly.
Like when he voted for Obama? Gave contributions to the Clinton foundation? His expressed love for eminent domain? His calling Obama a champion and giving him a solid B+ for his first hundred days in office? Voiced support for porkulous? Spoke favorably about Obama-care?
Your best hope is that he is inconsistent and might actually be conservative instead of a long time democrat enabler.
Your cornflakes are belching up again. You never come with substance to your reversal of the facts.
Seems it’s hard for you to swallow that Cruz has been such a parrot of TRUMP, lately, that even the media stood up and took notice.
OTOH, the media isn’t noticing TRUMP leading from behind on much of anything. They were staggered by his 42% ONAN poll, though.
“Your best hope is that he is inconsistent and might actually be conservative instead of a long time democrat enabler.”
Political opinions can change over the years and as one gets older (see Ronald Reagan for example). But Trump’s core beliefs as to how our economy should be run, staying away from bodily pollutants such as drinking, smoking, doing dope, his ability to see that which is a danger to our country (see what he said about Bin Laden before 9/11 even occurred), his ability to detect PC and BS when he hears it, having a family that loves him, admires and respects him and follows in his business footsteps to great success, his children have all turned out as exemplary citizens, his positive attitude towards life, and his patriotism and love of Country, are all undeniable.
At this point in his life, Trump is more of a Conservative on more issues than most of his rival Pub candidates and he is willing to say so publicly, an odd stance for a closet liberal as you infer, to take. Especially as it rains down upon his head the scorn of not only the liberal MSM/Dems, but also the RNC/GOPe/RINO’s of his own Party. And it also can affect and probably already has, his business empire and finances negatively. A pretty steep price to pay for being a Conservative you claim really isn’t one.
I trust Trump. You don’t, as is your choice. Time will prove one of us right, and I’m betting it isn’t you.
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