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NPR: The Great (Smoking Ban) Debate
NPR's Justice Talking ^
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Posted on 01/29/2003 4:26:21 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Gabz; SheLion
Should be interesting to see Cherner go head to head with Sullum. Wish I could be there.
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posted on
01/29/2003 4:30:06 PM PST
by
Max McGarrity
(Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
To: Max McGarrity
Haven't heard "Justice Talking" yet. It's hard to listen to NPR these days, since they've turned into Bush Bash Central 24-7. They used to be funny, now they're just pathetic.
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posted on
01/29/2003 4:35:11 PM PST
by
Musket
To: Musket; Max McGarrity
They used to be funny, now they're just pathetic.I don't know about that Musket...I think they used to be pathetic, but now their funny.....JMHO
FMCDH...(hi Max...PUFF!)
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posted on
01/29/2003 4:45:09 PM PST
by
nothingnew
(the pendulum always swings back and the socialists are now in the pit)
To: Max McGarrity
Yes, I wish I could be there.
It ought to be really good.
Do you think Sullum has all the ammo he needs?
To: Max McGarrity
We all know about the evils of smoking in any public place and how inconsiderate smokers are. And, just as business owners can't determine their own rules for the minimum age to buy booze, whether employees should take the time to wash hands after bathroom use, or whether employees with TB, jaundice or other diseases should handle food, they shouldn't be allowed to poison the air of customers and employees just because some are so weak as to be slaves to a terrible addiction.
Now that NPR is involved, however, we probably will learn the terrible effect that workplace smoking has on fairies. I used to listen to NPR but changed the station every time they begin a story about fairies being close to normal. It is amazing how often they broadcast that message.
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posted on
01/29/2003 4:54:36 PM PST
by
Tacis
To: Max McGarrity
They forgot the alternate solution. Companies going to China. All of these government regulations help create an employee free workplace.
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posted on
01/29/2003 4:56:44 PM PST
by
Hillarys Gate Cult
("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
To: Tacis
they shouldn't be allowed to poison the air of customers and employees just because some are so weak as to be slaves to a terrible addiction Um, you know that the alleged health dangers of secondhand smoke have been found to be nonexistent, right? The arguments of supporters of these bans always reduces to "I don't like smoke". Well, neither do I, but that's not a sufficient reason to deprive the business owner of his property rights.
To: Max McGarrity
It wouldn't surprise me if Sullum has Cherner for lunch.
I've never been bothered that there is not a local NPR station here - now I'll have to go searching for one - just to listen to this.
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posted on
01/29/2003 6:23:45 PM PST
by
Gabz
(Congrats Bucs - it's been a long time coming!!!!)
To: Tacis
The would-be public air defilers have a problem with this debate - we know that they have options, other than the most sensible one (quitting): 1. Patches 2. Gum 3. Learn some self-control - wait until you are in your own air before you indulge your addiction.
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posted on
01/29/2003 6:32:13 PM PST
by
185JHP
(Was "Tuco" right? "If you're going to shoot...")
To: Tacis
Now that NPR is involved, however, we probably will learn the terrible effect that workplace smoking has on fairies. I used to listen to NPR but changed the station every time they begin a story about fairies being close to normal. It is amazing how often they broadcast that message. NPR doesn't even have to be involved - just the fact that Cherner is involved tells you that.
Because we're smokers, Cherner believes he and his "partner" are better parents than my husband and I. he's a major proponent of gay "adoption."
I'm glad to know that your hatred of smokers goes so far that you side with the fairies you claim to despise over of the rights of business owners and conservatives who believe in the true meaning of parenthood, marriage, and freedom from the nanny state.
You are a typical anti - they are all hypocrites.
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posted on
01/29/2003 6:32:19 PM PST
by
Gabz
(Anti-smokers speak with forked tongues.)
To: 185JHP
If you don't want to be exposed to smoke in a bar - open your own and stay out of private establishments that permit smoking.
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posted on
01/29/2003 6:33:56 PM PST
by
Gabz
(Anti-smokers speak with forked tongues.)
To: Gabz
Freedom of Choice! My, what a novel concept.
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posted on
01/29/2003 6:36:23 PM PST
by
Hunble
To: Gabz
Don't have to. Much prefer having a law that hammers people with your attitude.
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posted on
01/29/2003 6:39:07 PM PST
by
185JHP
(Was "Tuco" right? "If you're going to shoot...")
To: Tacis
By "fairies," I assume you don't mean tiny, winged beings with magical powers... You should watch this one, tacis, Joe Cherner is a proponent of gay parenting, and his family consists of him, his male partner and two little girls. But, hey...he's against those nasty smokers, so ya gotta love 'em, right? ROFLMAO!
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posted on
01/29/2003 8:05:00 PM PST
by
Max McGarrity
(Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
To: Just another Joe
As a civil rights issue, Joe, my money's on Sullum.
Anti-smoking crusade a threat to civil rights, U.S. author warns
"Government efforts to clamp down on cigarette smoking pose a threat to civil liberties, a U.S. author says. Jacob Sullum, author of For Your Own Good: The Anti-Smoking Crusade and the Tyranny of Public Health, delivered a speech in Montreal last week that blended smokers' rights with individual freedoms in a manner that is rarely heard in public forums.
Sullum told a luncheon audience of about 50 people organized by the conservative-minded L'Institute Economique de Montreal on Thursday that adult consumption of cigarettes should be a private matter, not a public-health issue.
"Treating risky behaviour (cigarette smoking) like a contagious illness has troubling implications," Sullum said. "If the government is authorized to discourage personal decisions that might lead to disease or injury, there is no end to the interventions that could be justified, and no safe harbour for individual freedom."
Sullum, a senior editor at Reason magazine, argued that government moves toward a cigarette-free society denies the minority rights of smokers.
Regarding second-hand smoke, it should be up to property owners to decide whether or not they tolerate cigarettes on their premises, he said.
As for government-run services and buildings, he suggested that both smokers and non-smokers can be accommodated.
As Sullum sees it, the only legitimate curb on the freedom to smoke comes with limiting access to minors.
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posted on
01/29/2003 8:09:58 PM PST
by
Max McGarrity
(Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
To: 185JHP
wait until you are in your own air before you indulge your addiction.Well, that's might white of you. How about if we wait until we're in the smoker-friendly BUSINESS OWNER'S AIR to light up? Surely you wouldn't have a problem with that? Or do you, like tacis and other totalitarian jerkwads, think ALL air belongs to you?
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posted on
01/29/2003 8:13:29 PM PST
by
Max McGarrity
(Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
To: 185JHP
#10........ You of course have options too........ stay out of places allowing smoking.
To: Great Dane
You of course have options too........ stay out of places allowing smoking. Anti smokers do not believe that applies to them.
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posted on
01/30/2003 3:04:29 PM PST
by
Gabz
(Anti-smokers speak with forked tongues.)
To: Max McGarrity
How dense can you people be? Grasping business owners are, and will continue to be, governed by governments. You can chant your "private property" mantra until you're blue in the face, unless you can get a plurality or majority that's in favor of coddling your stench and residue-producing proclivity, macht nichts.
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posted on
01/30/2003 9:09:31 PM PST
by
185JHP
(Was "Tuco" right? "If you're going to shoot...")
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