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California--What Happened?
E-mail | 11/06/02 | Alex A. Burrola

Posted on 11/09/2002 6:54:28 PM PST by Bella_Bru

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To: Bella_Bru
They keep passing all these bonds and social spending boondogles and wonder why they can't afford to live out here. Fools.
81 posted on 11/10/2002 11:12:05 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Bella_Bru
I sure can't figure out CA. We have a cousin out there & he is as squirrely as h*ll. He admits it. Raised a Catholic, married to a Buddist, he claims to be a Sufi. When he explained Sufism to me, it sounded like someone who believes in everything *or* doesn't believe in anything. He doesn't like dims & hates Republicans even more. He wanders around muttering under his breath "its not easy being Green".
So I doubt if he is happy with the outcome either. (It sucks to be him)
82 posted on 11/10/2002 11:12:52 AM PST by Ditter
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To: waterstraat
Davis won so big in San Francisco because of the GAY vote. The gays were scared to death of Simon and they don't really care about economic issues, only gay rights. That's why Davis won so big in SF, not the immigrant vote.

Simon ran a horrible campaign. He should have run against Davis's record instead of focusing so hard on Davis's corrupt fundraising tactics. Releasing that photo, which turned out to be nothing, was stupid, stupid, stupid.

Obviously, Parsky needs to go too. The main job of the party chairman is to get out the vote. He failed at this and should be replaced.

I cannot believe they are suggesting that Simon run against Boxer. Forget it...Simon should try for a House seat before he tries another statewide candidacy. His inexperience at running a campaign was part of his problem.

It really is sad though. With only 48% of Republicans voting, he still got 42% of the overall vote. The California GOP should be ashamed. They could have won this, despite Simon's mistakes.

83 posted on 11/10/2002 11:13:15 AM PST by Wphile
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To: Wphile
Obviously, Parsky needs to go too. The main job of the party chairman is to get out the vote. He failed at this and should be replaced.

Parsky didn't like Simon, because of a business deal with Simon's dad that went sour.

84 posted on 11/10/2002 11:19:31 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru
All the more reason for him to go. Anyone who brings personal biases into a campaign, and a state party chairman at that, needs to go. This is much more important than personal biases.
85 posted on 11/10/2002 11:38:47 AM PST by Wphile
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To: Wphile
He needs to go, but I am not sure if he will. You see, he is a member of the board that decided if he goes or not. Great plan, eh?
86 posted on 11/10/2002 11:40:06 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru
Well, Bush could force his hand a bit. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
87 posted on 11/10/2002 11:56:45 AM PST by Wphile
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To: Wphile
Davis won so big in San Francisco because of the GAY vote. The gays were scared to death of Simon and they don't really care about economic issues, only gay rights. That's why Davis won so big in SF, not the immigrant vote.

Davis won SanFrancisco with 66%. There are not that many gays in SanFrancisco. There are considerably more immigrants than gays.

If the immigrants voted republican, and the gays voted democrat, it would have been a landslide for Simon.

88 posted on 11/10/2002 4:30:50 PM PST by waterstraat
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To: Bella_Bru
You are still fighting the primary. The primary was over in March, and you are carping about Rove and Riordan.

In case you didn't notice, Riordan lost the primary and Bush and Rove then tried to help Simon. I tried to help Simon.

But you are blaming the general election loss on Rove and Bush "interfering".

Simon has only himself to blame; he was an amateur and he blew the election through inexperience in dealing with a vicious and cunning opponent, namely Davis. And you should square your shoulders and admit Simon lost the election, and Davis won it, and not try to blame others.

89 posted on 11/11/2002 1:47:44 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Davis would have slaughtered him[Riordan]

Wrong. Most Independents and a lot of Republicans and some Democrats would have been happy to vote for RINO Riordan over Grayout Davis.

90 posted on 11/11/2002 1:53:43 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: Bella_Bru; CounterCounterCulture
However, God works in mysterious ways, and I think it is just as well that Davis is going to have to deal with all the chickens coming home to roost in California.

In another four years, California will be in such bad shape from businesses bailing out of here, and Dems will be so mad at him for cutting their favorite programs that the voters will line up to vote for whomever the Republicans run, so go out there and groom another candidate, or send Simon to Electoral College 101 and run him again.

91 posted on 11/11/2002 2:01:20 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
I guess the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean much to you. Riordan was worse than Davis in regrds to it.

Simon himself was an amateur, but his team was anything but.

There were many missteps by many people in the Simon campaign. If you have a problem with someone pointing them out, you must be a novice in politics.

92 posted on 11/11/2002 8:46:23 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru
bump
93 posted on 11/11/2002 9:32:11 AM PST by tophat9000
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To: Bella_Bru
The way I see it, all the professionals in the world can't make up for a weak candidate--especially since that weak candidate couldn't win against a weakened and disliked opponent. Simon fumbled the ball many times. It's not Bush's fault or Karl Rove's fault or anyone else's fault except for Simon and his handlers, but even that doesn't explain it all.

The fact is that any Republican, no matter how good he is, is going to start out with a severe handicap--being a Republican in a Democrat state.

With that in mind, any Republican candidate is going to have to be twice as good at everything than his opponent. Most importantly, he'll have to have a clear agenda that appeals to a broad spectrum of voters, and he'll have to be able to communicate them effectively. He'll have to have twice as much charisma, twice as much charm, and have twice the one-on-one people skills as the Democrat. He'll have to run an upbeat, positive campaign. He'll have to work twice as hard. And sadly, but realistically speaking, he'll have to be able to attract twice the money--which means he'll have to already have some name recognition going into the campaign.

I don't know if Simon had any or all these things, since I didn't really follow this race. But I do know that even from 3,000 miles away, it didn't look good with that whole campaign contribution photo thing, and being "exonerated" in court was even worse. A candidate going through legal proceedings during a campaign is a disadvantage any way you look at it.

Simon's team may or not have been the absolute best, but they had too many negatives to overcome, IMHO.

94 posted on 11/11/2002 11:03:33 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: wimpycat
We are also still waiting to see if any money was left over in the Team Cal fund AFTER election day. There shouldn't be, but who knows with Parsky.
95 posted on 11/11/2002 11:23:12 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru
So you are glad Davis is governor rather than Riordan?
96 posted on 11/11/2002 9:57:44 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
Are you so delusional that you really thought the 'R' next to Riordan made a difference? He and Davis were identical!
97 posted on 11/11/2002 10:29:42 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: wimpycat
Your vantage point 3,000 miles away has given you better vision than many conservatives living in California.

The sorelosers blaming Bush

98 posted on 11/11/2002 10:45:02 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: Bella_Bru
best thing happened. let the RATS take the fall for what they have created here. I'm planning on moving out if it gets as bad as I think it will get.
99 posted on 11/11/2002 10:52:38 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: Bella_Bru
Simon himself was an amateur, but his team was anything but.

His "team" was split into two camps, they were fighting amongst themselves and Simon. For ex., Simon wouldn't read or greatly changed some of the stump speeches.

It seems that the faction that released the Photo-Gate picture, had this early in the year and was waiting to release it later, closer to election day. They even commented they have a "Silver-Bullet" back in June. The article detailing the problems was posted on F.R. late last week.

The real pro, I don't recall if it was Ed Rollins or not, quit in disgust early on.

100 posted on 11/11/2002 10:58:13 PM PST by muleskinner
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