New Frontier in Random Drug Testing: Checking High Schoolers for Tobacco

Associated Press ^ | Oct. 7, 2002 | Greg Giuffrida

[Kevin Curry]

Well, there you go. Just one more reason to homeschool the little libertarian addicts-in-training.

. . . but for the fact that most pro-dopers apparently don't have children. (Who needs kids when you have dope to build your life around? In the timeless paraphrased words of the inimitable Foghorn Leghorn: "I got--I say, I got mah dope ta keep ME warm!")

Or was it RJCogburn? . . . Wolfie? Hemlock? Dark Lord? headsonpikes? GreenGrinningHorkPhlegm?

I can't keep track these days.

[Exeter]

"Elsewhere around the country, schools in Blackford County, Ind., test for tobacco use in...students who take driver's education or apply for parking permits."

Oh yeh, I sure wouldn't want to park next to someone who was high on Virginia Slims...

[Ditter]

SPAGHETTI!!!!!!!! OH NO! My family is DOOMED!

[Wolfie]

(((giggle)))

[MrLeRoy]

most pro-dopers apparently don't have children

Few if any here are "pro-dope," and you have no basis on which to speculate about drug-freedom advocates' families. (I have two kids, who I have instructed at length on why they're better off without alcohol, tobacco, or other drugs.)

You simply revel in dsiplaying your ignorance, don't you?

[vin-one]

but for the fact that most pro-dopers apparently don't have children.

KC I ignore most of the crap you post but this one is by far the most BS,
I have ever seen. you don't get out much do you. In fact most of the people I know who smoke MJ have kids,
and are mostly conservative, church going, hardworking, involved parents

[Wolfie]

I'm strictly amateur - trying to presrve my Olympic eligibility, doncha know.

[Roscoe]

Few if any here are "pro-dope,"

24/7

[MrLeRoy]

You're a dope 24/7, true.

[Roscoe]

The "pro-dope" contingent on FR usually aren't honest about their agenda.

[MrLeRoy]

What is the agenda of the "'pro-dope' contingent on FR"?

[Roscoe]

Legalized dope.

[freeeee]

What "rights" are being violated by the tests?

4th Amendment rights. The state, through its agents is conducting searches with neither probable cause nor a warrant.

Some will say children have no rights. That's what the "It Takes a Village" crowd would like you to believe. Children do have unalienable rights, but because they are minors they lack legal capacity to exercise them. Their rights are instead held and exercised by proxy by their parents or legal guardians. If the parent exercises the child's 4th Amendment right, then no probable cause and no warrant means no search.

Some will say students voluntarily waive their 4th Amendment rights by asking to participate in extra-curricular activities. They forget, this is the state we are dealing with, not a privately funded school. The state has no legitimate power to barter rights for tax sponsored priviliges. This ignores the unalienable nature of rights, and uses taxation as a lever to coerce forfeiture of rights. It is akin to forcing those who get drivers licenses to forfeit freedom of speech or religion.

And finally some will say the courts have ruled otherwise so it is a mute issue. To them, I remind them of Roe v Wade, and even slavery. The courts are wrong there and they're wrong here too. In fact, the courts are wrong so often and hold such deep contempt for the Constitution they are sworn to uphold, that they have undermined their legitimate authority to the point where their opinion is worth no more than that of your common man-on-the-street. The only difference being that these black robed princes have the power to back their whimiscal, illegitimate opinions with brute force. It is now fear, not respect for law that they wield.

[tpaine]

Roscoes "communitarian" contingent on FR usually aren't honest about their agenda.

[MrLeRoy]

Opposing legal bans on "dope" doesn't make one "pro-dope" any more than opposing legal bans on non-marital sex makes one "pro-non-marital-sex."

When has any opponent of legal bans on drugs denied holding that position?

[MrLeRoy]

Roscoes "communitarian" contingent

Is that what you call mouthing support for freedom while pushing people around?

[Roscoe]

Opposing legal bans on "dope" doesn't make one "pro-dope"

Like I said, the "pro-dope" contingent on FR usually aren't honest about their agenda.

[tpaine]

Roscoes communitarian contingent seem to think that community 'standards', - IE majority rule, - trump our constitutions safeguards of individual liberty.

Ban drugs, ban guns, - its all the same to them. The mob rules, - in their mind.

[Roscoe]

Ban drugs, ban guns

Equating guns to drugs is one of the oldest and most tired arguments of leftists and their Libertarian cousins.