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(Delaware) Smoking ban fires up opponets
The Delaware Business Ledger ^ | August 2002 | Diane Cook

Posted on 08/12/2002 8:54:20 AM PDT by Gabz

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To: nolajim
It is interesting that so many people are proud of their uncontrollable addiction to nicotine.

You've been reading way too many press releases issued by the anti-smoking coalitions, who by the way, are paid to come up with those kinds of things.

41 posted on 08/12/2002 12:05:07 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: nolajim
It is interesting that so many people are proud of their uncontrollable addiction to nicotine.

If it was an "uncontrollable addiction" don't you think that there would be many less former smokers than there are?
If you take into account that the definition of "addiction" was CHANGED - JUST to accomodate tobacco, then maybe nicotine doesn't cause an addiction.
Anymore maybe the addiction is by the anti-smokers that are addicted to trying to control others lives according to their standards.

42 posted on 08/12/2002 12:10:52 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Gabz
I at times have trouble believing that smokers are at an all time low of 23-24%, if that was the case, how come bars and restaurants can't stay alive without this minority. ?
44 posted on 08/12/2002 12:47:02 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: Born to Conserve
#8...... I was going to say something........ but it ain't worth it.
45 posted on 08/12/2002 12:49:58 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: strela
#16....... Perfect reply. :-}}}
46 posted on 08/12/2002 12:52:54 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: Gabz
The question ultimately centered on whose rights prevailed, those of the smoker or those of the nonsmoker.

What about the rights of the property owner? I know, dumb question.

47 posted on 08/12/2002 12:59:21 PM PDT by dpa5923
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To: SheLion
That picture is soooo sexy.....NOT!
48 posted on 08/12/2002 1:05:33 PM PDT by finnman69
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To: Great Dane
I at times have trouble believing that smokers are at an all time low of 23-24%, if that was the case, how come bars and restaurants can't stay alive without this minority. ?

This is an interesting question, and there are at least 2 schools of thought on the answer.

If it is posed to the antis, they will tell you all the bars and restaurants will survive because all the non-smokers who have been staying away because of smoke will come flocking in and there will be no problem.

If it is posed to the bar and restaurant owners, they will tell you the antis do not come flocking in, and the smokers stay away along with all the non-smoking friends and family of the smokers. additionally they will tell you, smokers tend to stay longer, therefore spending more money, and tipping better.

It always comes right down to this: if the antis wre correct there would be a proliferation of smoke-free bars and restaurants everywhere and thus no need for these intrusive bans. But the antis are wrong, and they know it, but it order to cover up their insidious lies, they push for the all out bans under the guise of "levelling the playing field."

That phrase has become as nearly sickening to me as "it's for the children." It's got nothing to do with the children, because if they really cared about the children they wouldn't be seeking laws that have proven to put small businesses out of business and forcing those owners and employees to find another way to support their children.

Smoking bans are not about health, nor aboout children; they are about power and control. The antis want the power to control others. and the sooner people wake up to that, the better off everyone, smoker and non-smoker alike, will be.

sorry for my rant.

49 posted on 08/12/2002 1:19:30 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Gabz
"sorry for my rant."

NO!! It's a good, even-tempered rant, nothing to apologize for at all!
50 posted on 08/12/2002 2:18:11 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Gabz
Smoking is not the health issue the "anti-rights"fruitcakes would have you believe.It is now an excuse like so many other things to denegrate and persecute people who's lifestyles have not been approved by the socialists.These same socialists and their inconsistant positions prove them to be hypocrites.Ban cigarettes and legalize pot,have abortions but no death penalty(at least here one got the benefit of a trial).THESE PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS!
51 posted on 08/12/2002 2:34:34 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY
THESE PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS!

No truer words could be said.

52 posted on 08/12/2002 2:50:47 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Born to Conserve
I poke, they jump!

I smoke, you can choke!

53 posted on 08/12/2002 2:53:19 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: E Rocc
A statist is a statist is a statist. The only difference between the "liberal" and the "conservative" ones is the type of personal whims they wish to make into law.

Well said

54 posted on 08/12/2002 2:56:07 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: Gabz
A rant is nescessary now and then. :-}
55 posted on 08/12/2002 4:10:11 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: Gabz
"The person sitting next to you has the right to breathe clean air," Stone says
Gilligan says. "I have a right to have my insurance rates as low as possible"


Rights? Where are these rights enumerated?
They are passing law with flawed arguments.
57 posted on 08/12/2002 4:21:55 PM PDT by GoldMan
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To: nolajim
If what you say were true there would be a multitude of non-smoking bars and restaurants all over this country - the truth of the matter is that there are not.

Every professional waiter I know prefers to work in the non-smoking section of a restaurant because smokers camp out and spend a couple dollars on coffee after dinner.

And every professional bartender or wait staff memeber I know says the total opposite.

Especially the ones I know who moved to Delaware after they lost their jobs in California. Two of them have already started making inquiries in another state in order to have a job lined up when the ban takes effect.

58 posted on 08/12/2002 4:30:16 PM PDT by Gabz
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