Homosexual Researchers Debunk ‘Born Gay’ Urban Legend

Traditional Values Coalition ^ | 7/30/02 | Traditional Values Coalition

[MAWG]

NO, there wasn't a choice in his case. His parents tried to force him into a straight marriage. It didn't work. He found straight sex to be disgusting. YOU'RE not listening. We are talking about congenital-aberrant behaviour. He was the WIFE in a relationship. He PREFERRED taking it up the ass! Got it? I'm sorry that it doesn't fit in with your religous take on the world, but that's how it is sometimes. Serial killers dont CHOOSE to be serial killers. They just are. If this is inconvenient for you, find another religon or learn to deal with the truth.

[OBAFGKM]

"It may not be preference, but there is always a choice."

Do you suggest that MAWG's 6-year-old brother chose to be homosexual?? Or perhaps that he wouldn't have "strayed" had he been properly disciplined for acting "fruity?" That's what one ordinarily does for a misbehaving 6-year-old.

[Polycarp]

Amen. Even for a couple mill, there's some things real men just cannot and will not do.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Homosexuality researchers or homosexual researchers?

[OBAFGKM]

"Actor or not there is noway they could get me to play love scenes with a man."

Hmm. Perhaps Rock Hudson was not bothered playing a heterosexual love scene because he was secure in his sexuality.

[Polycarp]

See post 20.

[Polycarp]

Good point. The former, not the latter.

[JMJ333]

I never mentioned force. I just mean that as a grown man he is free to choose his behavior. Regardless of preference, morality isn't subjective and truth can be discerned. We all have free will to do as we please.

[OBAFGKM]

"The most repected researchers on this issue believe the homosexual tendency is a delay in normal psychosocial development that occurs before age 6."

Citation, please?

[BikerNYC]

How about $100 million?

[john in missouri]

"In counseling gay men for twenty years, I have not had one yet whom I would say had a normative childhood or normative adolescent development in the sexual arena. More often than not I have found stories of abusive, alcoholic, or absent (physically and emotionally) fathers; stories of incest or first experiences of sex forced upon them by older brothers, neighborhood men, or even friends. I sometimes find these men have been early exposure to pornography….” It is worth repeating: Homosexuals are made, not born.

In _How_to_Really_Love_Your_Child_, Ross Campbell, M.D. tells of a drill-sergeant-type father who raised his 4 sons with Marine-style strict and rigid discipline, zero affection, demanding unquestioned obedience with no questions asked. He planned to make them all Marine-tough he-men.

I don't know whether they ended up gay, but Ross says that all 4 sons turned out "effeminate."

He also mentions a big, friendly, loving pastor who was certainly male, but affectionate and friendly to everyone. His son turned out to be just like him.

Ross adds, "In all my reading and experience, I have never known of one sexually disoriented person who had a warm, loving, and affectionate father."

[TC Rider]

There is some sort of genetic compenent to being gay. That gay lisp is something that a straight man could never recreate.

Not necesarilly. It appears that high levels of some sex hormones in the mother can lead to the effects you mention.

I can't source it, but I recall reading that high levels of male sex hormone in the weeks before birth can lead to your basic butchy lesbian. Some other chemicals can lead to the effiminate male.

Again, not a genetic disorder, but more like a birth defect.

[ZULU]

Homsexuality can be due to genetics, environment or a combination of both.

The fact that there is a biological determinant in homosexuality has been demonstrated by studies on the brain functions of homosexual versus non-homsexual males.

The fact that homosexuality becomes so prevalent in certain societies, i.e. among the Romans of the late Republic and the Early Empire, some of the Ancient Greeks and the Ottoman Turks, and the fact that their recent descendants did not express this trait, indicates that widespread homosexual practises have a behavioral and societal component, as well as a biological one.

If we allow homosexual behavior to be accepted as merely one more alternative and accepted lifestyle, we are running the risk of having modern America degenerate into a sexual equivalent of Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, or the Turkish Empire. Not very savory models to emulate.

[Free the USA]

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[BikerNYC]

morality isn't subjective

It isn't? The only thing that matters is action? What people see you doing? Internal reflection, motivation and thought play no role in morality? I disagree -- A portion of morality is the subjective workings of the mind.

For example, to tell the truth to someone with the sole intent to cause emotional harm to that person is acting immorally. Subjective intent matters.

[MoscowMike]

Howdy

Respectfully, save the anecdotes for Oprah. We are speaking of the scientific basis for the argument that homosexuality has organic origins, or the lack thereof, as there is no science worthy of the name to support this conclusion.

[scholar]

I am seriously conflicted on this issue. I once worked with a number of gay guys. A few you would probably never have guessed based on their mannerisms, some might make you wonder and others were positively flaming. There are also many gay men who are very macho.

Something tells me that there is no ONE cause/reason for homosexual behavior.

[JMJ333]

If not preference, then how does one explain other sexual deviancies such as beastiality or pedophelia? The same abnormal psychosocial development? I think in a lot of cases that these deviancies are indulged with full consent of the will and see nothing wrong with the behavior.

[MAWG]

Hey Moscow, respectfully, bite me on the crank. We are talking about the supposed origins of homosexuality and fee will. Having been raised in a family rife with homosexuals, I do believe I have an insight that is important to the argument.

[MAWG]

fee = free.