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Simon asks national GOP leaders for their help
San Francisco Chronicle ^
| 07/20/2002
| John Wildermuth
Posted on 07/20/2002 9:14:57 AM PDT by Pokey78
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:36 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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posted on
07/20/2002 9:14:57 AM PDT
by
Pokey78
To: Pokey78
The San Francisco CarBunckle .. All The News That's Fit To Spin .. Looks like they like repeating old lies .. over and over ..
DUMP DAVI$ & the Den of Socialists
GO SIMON
To: Pokey78
"Think of the shock waves" a win over Democratic Gov. Gray Davis"
Mr. Simon, just think of the "shock waves" over the people who want to vote for you if only you would campaign and realize you are running for Governor!!!! You had a lock on this independant's vote and I emphacize HAD because you won't come out and commit yourself. For crying out loud, you've had issues handed you on a silver platter! If you won't help yourself by real campaigning then why should anyone else help you? As far as I'm concerned, it is not enough for you to "claim" you're conservative nor does it matter that you wear the republicrat label because I don't vote for party labels since there is no difference between either one of you.
At this point in time, I will not be voting fore the office of Governor.
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posted on
07/20/2002 9:26:14 AM PDT
by
poet
To: poet
I'm sorry to hear this. What position has Simon not come out on? He has been on the right side of every important issue. The liberal media isn't reporting on his campaign activities, and he's been all over the state. We'll just have to wait until the campaign season kicks into high gear and Simon will go on tv and radio and sell himself and his ideas.
The fact is, it's too early now. People in the primary complained because Simon didn't go up on television in December (the message "VOTE FOR SIMON" between Jingle Bells and Silent Night). But he waited and won handily.
Don't make up your mind now. There is three and a half months until November 5th.
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posted on
07/20/2002 9:31:03 AM PDT
by
Gophack
To: *calgov2002; Ernest_at_the_Beach
To: poet
"At this point in time, I will not be voting fore the office of Governor."
Petulant and foolish. Gray Davis should send you a nice card.
Simon is having trouble getting traction, thanks to his inexperience in rough-and-tumble politics, and thanks in great part to the media. But there is no doubt he's the better candidate, with the better stand on the issues and the smarts necesary to drag California out of its tailspin, as another come-from-behind liberty-oriented Republican did in 1966.
To: Gophack
Thank you. Well-stated.
The willingness of those of us on the right to shred each other to pieces is most depressing.
To: Gophack
He has been on the right side of every important issue. The liberal media isn't reporting on his campaign activitiesIf no one knows what he represents or what his views are, he is not campaigning.
30% of California voters would not even know who Simon is were it not for the incessent, unanswered Davis attack ads. Simon has dismissed 3 campaign managers since starting and is now crying for help to big brother.
And spare me the "it's too early" logic. About another 3 to 4 weeks of these unanswered attack ads and lack of appeance on the evening news and it won't matter what Simon has to say.
Based on the campaign Simon has conducted thus far the upcomming election is Davis' to win or loose. If Davis doesn't get caught in too many more scandals he'll win in November.
To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Petulant and foolish.
Thank you! You just took the keystrokes right off of my keyboard.
This is the mentality of the "Piously Principled," who never hesistate to take intellectual shortcuts. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
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posted on
07/20/2002 11:07:06 AM PDT
by
rdb3
To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
The willingness of those of us on the right to shred each other to pieces is most depressing.
True. However, the day of reckoning is coming soon.
Stay tuned...
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posted on
07/20/2002 11:10:41 AM PDT
by
rdb3
To: rdb3
This is the mentality of the "Piously Principled..."
(And the Sour Grapes Brigade--Riordanites, Jonesers, Parskyites, Perotistas and a host of brittle single-issue voters--who have set their jaws and stomped home in high dudgeon.)
But thanks. I hope we on the Right can grow up a little between now and November. A candidate like Bill Simon comes along once in a generation.
To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
I hope we on the Right can grow up a little between now and NovemberI don't think you get it. The battle for govenor is now. The battle will be won or lost in the next 30 days. The battle doesn't even involve Simon.
Davis is running against himself. Davis can win if he convinces enough financial suppoters that he has a chance to win. Give Davis the cash and he wins.
Davis dug a hole for himself within his own party starting last year and continuing on into this spring. His greed was showing and he alienated many influential Democratics. Davis was within a cats wisker of being an obvious, unliked looser. And friends not many pragmatists will support a loser.
What Davis needed to do deperately was get himself back into the catagory of "having a chance" to win. Davis started a agressive attack ad campaign and the polls are begining to reflect his efforts. The campaign contributions are beginning to roll in again.
Simon, regardless of his fitness for office lacked the political intelligence to recognize the dimension of Davis' dilema and lacked the advice or the money to cut off Davis' head in July. He allowed the attack ads to continue unchallenged and let Davis back into the realm of credibility.
To: Amerigomag
He allowed the attack ads to continue unchallenged and let Davis back into the realm of credibility.
Very good point. David Horowitz writes stingingly about this in his book "The Art of Political War."
FWIW, this was the reason why x42 escaped his just desserts in the impeachment ordeal. They attacked, we stayed silent. Therefore, their molding of opinion went successfully unchallenged.
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posted on
07/20/2002 12:10:27 PM PDT
by
rdb3
To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
The willingness of those of us on the right to shred each other to pieces is most depressing.You can say that again!
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posted on
07/20/2002 12:41:43 PM PDT
by
Gophack
To: Amerigomag
The battle will be won or lost in the next 30 daysThis is so wrong I don't know where to start. If that were in fact the case, Simon would have lost the primary because he was at 4 points 7 weeks out. Pete Wilson would have lost to Kathleen Brown (like the Field Poll said he would) and Ronald Reagan would have lost to Jimmy Carter, and I can go on and on.
I'm worked as a volunteer and paid staff on dozens of campaigns since 1988 and have found that most voters DO NOT FOCUS on the election until the last FOUR WEEKS. Where Bill Simon is on October 1st -- and where Gray Davis is -- will have more to do with the outcome of the election than almost anything that happens now.
Yes, Simon needs to address Davis' attacks, but he can't be on the defensive. He'll deal with them when and how he wants based on sound political strategy and a hundred armchair politicians telling him a hundred different winning strategies.
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posted on
07/20/2002 12:46:26 PM PDT
by
Gophack
To: ElkGroveDan
PING
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posted on
07/20/2002 12:47:08 PM PDT
by
Gophack
To: Gophack
"If that were in fact the case, Simon would have lost the primary because he was at 4 points 7 weeks out. Pete Wilson would have lost to Kathleen Brown (like the Field Poll said he would) and Ronald Reagan would have lost to Jimmy Carter, and I can go on and on.
Yes, and let's not forget why Simon won.
A positive message (versus the unattractive negative yowling of Jones and Riordan), great ideas about small government and personal liberty, a nice persona, and a "good attitude". It also helped that he was not a professional politician.
All these helped attract a phalanx of hundreds of energetic activists to his campaign. Meanwhile, the political and voting records of Riordan and Jones came to the attention of the voting public, and they didn't like what they saw: a slippery limousine-socialist poseur and an untrustworthy back-room dealmaker with an indelible tax-hike blemish.
Why are the pundits so loath to admit is that Simon won because the electorate was informed? Giuliani's endorsement helped catch the eye of Mr. and Ms. Six-Pack, but every Simon voter I've met has had solid reasons for their preference. And sometimes that solid reason is just "Gray Davis"!
I agree, Simon and his surrogates can't do enough to step up and forcefully point out Davis' many blunders, spotlighting how the State is going down the tubes. Deficit, budget mess, breathtaking spending runup, infrastructure ills (beginning with but by no means ending with the power crisis), serial scandals leading straight to the Governor's Office... all this is good stuff. But at this moment the campaign is simply not on the radar screens of most folks. Doesn't mean Simon should be sleeping, of course. If the media won't give him face-time and fair coverage, he needs to do more pressing the flesh, meeting with small groups, keeping that activist base energized.
And because it's very important that Bill Simon maintain his positive message and good-natured Reaganesque demeanor against Davis' pissy, pinch-faced attitude and relentless negative attacks, Simon's surrogates--that's us, folks!--should be pounding the newspapers with op-eds and letters to the editors, leafletting their clubs and neighborhood gathering places, and gradually building that slow swell that will become the breaking wave as November approaches.
He's going to win, and it'll be a rout. But don't forget the base, Bill!
To: Amerigomag
If Davis doesn't get caught in too many more scandals he'll win in November.
Shur says a lot about the product of the California Socialized Schools and Universities system and the Trustees
To: Gophack
based on sound political strategyYes remaining silent while your integrity and credibility are attacked day after day makes a great deal of sense. Guess he's counting on the Goebbles backlash.
Yes letting your opponent set the agenda is the key to presenting your ideas. Defense is a long proven, succesful strategy for political victory.
Yes remaining personally unidentifiable is the key to political victory. The electorate always votes for a faceless name.
In short go peddle your naive political loyalty on some other forum. This is not the turnip patch!
To: Free the USA; Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; Gophack; eureka!; ElkGroveDan; Libertarianize the GOP; ...
Thanks for the ping!
Strwberries for Davis today!
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