WHY RUSH IS DISGRUNTLED (Bush is advancing the Democrats most liberal agenda )

Rush Limbaugh ^ | 5/13/2002 | rushlimbaugh

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Keep up with your stupid excuses for Republican policies and you will get Hillary. It will be YOUR fault.
Man, I am really tired of hearing this Republican whining. It's everybody else's fault if a (R) doesn't get elected.

[seanc623]

Okay, you are no Conservtaive; now, you need to admit to your Marxism, as well . All of this garbage, about the " elits " and " ruling class ", belies certain juvenile thought processes, that you have. Yes, there it is ... you feel oh so powerless, so irrelivant, and you are. The Founding Fathers agreed with you, in that you don't have enough sense / ability , to be able to actually vote for a president. That's WHY they set up the Electoral College, you know. The FFs were ELITISTS !

I won't admit my Marxism because I'm not a Marxist. Of course we will always have an elite ruling class... the issue is what kind of men and women they will be. They must be people who believe in our Constitution. My quarrel isn't with the "elites" in general, but with the kind of people they are now as opposed to the kind of people we need. We don't need conservative or leftist elites; we need Libertarian elites who can understand enlightened self-interest. What might be good for me (not locking up people who smoke pot, for example if I do) might also be good for other people (not locking up people who enjoy an occasional drink if I don't drink but they do). So I agree not to sic the government on you for enjoying your "demon rum" and you agree not to sic them on me for enjoying my "demon weed". (By the way, I don't smoke or drink. This is just and example)

[seanc623]

Perhaps what's really going on is you actually prefer that they don't control the Senate or anything else.

Exactly!!! I don't want rulers, I want leaders. Since the GOP seems determined to be the former, I choose the latter (Libertarians).

[seanc623]

Man, I am really tired of hearing this Republican whining. It's everybody else's fault if a (R) doesn't get elected.

Well said! That's one of the reasons I left the party. We Libertarians don't whine and moan when we lose; we try to learn from our mistakes so we can win more votes next time.

[hattend]

The better question is: will I blame Bush? The answer is no. If we had a GOP-controlled Senate, it might be different.

And that is what is going to be fun. Barring huge amounts of voter fraud we may have a GOP House, Senate, and White House in January 2003. That's when the #### will hit the fan if things don't change. We live in interesting times.

[Tribune7]

President Bush has been a GOD send ! If Gore had pulled it off, in 2000 , we might all be agreeing here ( LOL, maybe not. ), but life would be an absolute disaster, with little hope of EVER turning the clock back, on anything .

Megadittos :-)

[Tribune7]

All you saw was an illegal act by the US Supreme Court, as the Florida slate was supposed to be acceptable to Congress. It was far from an "act of God."

It wasn't the best reasoned decision but since it was a response to bananna republica-style jurisprudence by by the Florida Court -- which had no Constitutional mandate to be invovled in the disupte and was arguably violating the Flordia Constitution -- I wouldn't say the USSC overstepped its bounds.

Since it was well within the realm of possibility that things could have gone the other way, I'll attribute Dubya's victory to the Glory of the Almighty.

[Tribune7]

That's when the #### will hit the fan if things don't change. We live in interesting times.

If things don't change at that point I suspect I will leave the GOP.

[nopardons]

ROTFLOL ! You certainly DO give a rather good run, at being a " class " basher, dear. Now, that you've been called on it ; you back track mighty fast .

The upper middle and upper classes aren't EVER going to turn into Libertarians. For centuries longer than the LP has been around, they have been brought up with the ideal of " nobel obliege ". That's a far superior attitude. Net worth doesn't place people in each " class " / strata ... it's much more than that.

I have NEVER done / tried any illegal substance and rarely partake of any alcoholic bevaerage . No, decriminalizing dope, wouldn't change my mind about it; however , it most assurredly WOULD influence others. That's what you and other Libertarians don't get / refuse to admit. It's human nature, and yes, I can substanciate my postion ; you can't.

What the Libertarian web sites and Libertarins won't tell you / don't know, is that a vast number of people, in jail for dope ( and especial pot crimes ) , are there because they copped a plea, for a lesser crime. Sort of like Al Capone and the tax evasion ... it's the ONLY way that there is, sometmes, to get hardened criminals off the streets.

Libertarians will NEVER become a viable political party; let alone one that is going to do a damned thing about getting its positions pushed through.

[seanc623]

ROTFLOL ! You certainly DO give a rather good run, at being a " class " basher, dear. Now, that you've been called on it ; you back track mighty fast.

I'm not back tracking from anything; clarifying my position isn't backtracking. I don't "bash" one class of people more than any other. When wealthy socialists use our Constitution for toilet paper, I call them on it. When welfare queens do the same thing, I call them on it. When middle class families demand government run day care that comes out of my single man's paycheck, I call them on it. Next!!!

[seanc623]

The upper middle and upper classes aren't EVER going to turn into Libertarians. For centuries longer than the LP has been around, they have been brought up with the ideal of " nobel obliege ". That's a far superior attitude. Net worth doesn't place people in each " class " / strata ... it's much more than that.

Now who's practicing class warfare? I'm familiar with "noblesse oblige," and it isn't a far superior attitude to Libertarianism; in fact it's the same thing. "To whom much is given, much is asked," (The New Testament, I believe) Successful people taking on responsibility for helping poorer people is the backbone of the Libertarian ethic. VOLUNTARY CHARITY, not government coercion is the bedrock of our republic. Only free people can (or will) take on such a burden.

[seanc623]

What the Libertarian web sites and Libertarins won't tell you / don't know, is that a vast number of people, in jail for dope ( and especial pot crimes ) , are there because they copped a plea, for a lesser crime. Sort of like Al Capone and the tax evasion ... it's the ONLY way that there is, sometmes, to get hardened criminals off the streets.

Please repeat after me... the ends do not justify the means... innocent until proven guilty... two wrongs don't make a right...

[seanc623]

Libertarians will NEVER become a viable political party; let alone one that is going to do a damned thing about getting its positions pushed through.

Wishing will not make it so; every day brings us closer to victory and the dinosaurs of the GOP closer to extinction.

[seanc623]

We have to decide whether we are going to be leaders or followers. Saying most people don't believe the way we do so we have to run RINO candidates is not leadership; it's a cop-out. The sad truth about the GOP is that they do eat their young; Constitutional conservatives especially. The leadership of the party does not believe in the Constitution so they constantly sabotage the efforts of these grassroots activists to educate voters.

[nopardons]

You know, dear, pyschiatry works wonders, for people with delusional and prijection disorders. LOL

I'm not " wishing " ; unlike you. : - )

[nopardons]

You know, dear, pyschiatry works wonders, for people with delusional and projection disorders. Do look into it. LOL

I'm not " wishing " ; unlike you. : - )

[nopardons]

Please repeat after me .... There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home ...

[nopardons]

You may know the term ; you haven't a clue about what nobles oblige means, nor how real " elites " ( for lack of a better term, in refferrencing for you ) anre brought up / trained / live.

Suprprise, surprise, that isn't a Libertarian term, it doesn't encompass what you have stated, and Jesus Christ, all of the FFs ( especiall Jefferson ) , and President Reagan were / are NOT Libertarians. Now Calligula , the Marquis De Sade, and Bill Mahr ( sp ? ) ? Yes, the Libertarians can claim them, sweety.

[TN Republican]

The only person that has ever browbeaten me into voting Republican is Bill Clinton. If I had voted Lib and lived in Florida, I could not have lived with the shame had Gore won.

[TN Republican]

Libertarians are good to work with on a grass-roots level. I met a few when our conservative Republican state senator came to speak and take questions one night. I don't preach that they are throwing their votes away there, or on this board for that matter.

Hell, I voted for Ron Paul in '88, but I eventually learned that the sensible thing to do is vote third-party only in races where your candidate has run a good campaign with some backing. Save your throwaway votes for the dogcatcher's race.