Above the Impact: A WTC Survivor s Story

Nova ^ | 5/29/02

[Fry]

So the choices were stop building at the 67th floor level or "invent" a new fireproofing technique.
Is innovation a bad thing? When you run into difficulty, should you just throw your hands up and say never mind?
The fireproofing they "invented" would have worked fine under any normal circumstances, but guess what, fully fueled jumbo jets intentionally plowing into the buildings at full speed was anything but normal. The buildings were fine, the blame rests with the terrorists.

[Chili Girl]

Thank you for the post - what a touching story.

[Tuco-bad]

Then you agree, there was no "choice 1" and you were wrong to say it was ever an option.

Yes - it was not a viable option.

I just listed it a choice, just to list all options, even non-viable options.

[hellinahandcart]

The bottom-line is that once the builders were prevented from fireproofing with asbestos, and since concrete fireproofing was no longer feasible (building was now at 67th floor level), the WTC should have been topped out at the 67th floor level, as there was not another vialble fireproofing technique that could perform to standards.

The bottom line is that you still haven't explained how the builders took the cheap way out by instead continuing to build the additional 43 stories onto each tower. I won't bother to ask where you got the information that the fireproofing was not viable or did not perform to every 1970 standard (which did not include being rammed by a plane, and asbestos was never tested in such a way either, to my knowledge). You are clearly incapable of answering a direct question.

However to make the WTC project profiable, the towers had to be built over 100 stories.

You really don't know much, do you? Those towers were a white elephant for years, and as far as I know they never did reach full occupancy. Saving nearly half the cost of construction by topping them out at 67 floors would have made them almost instantly profitable.

Now, since you refuse to elaborate on the "cheap construction" of the World Trade Center, you're hereby invited again to shut the f#ck up. I won't respond to any more posts from you unless they are a detailed and sourced explanation of the CHEAP CONSTRUCTION of those Towers.

Got it? I sure hope so; an amoeba would have understood the question by now.

[Tuco-bad]

Is innovation a bad thing? When you run into difficulty, should you just throw your hands up and say never mind?

Innovation of corse is not a bad thing.

However, in this case a new fireproofing technique was immediately invented which was "claimed" to be as effective as concrete or asbestos.

[iceskater]

bump for later

[Tuco-bad]

You really don't know much, do you? Those towers were a white elephant for years, and as far as I know they never did reach full occupancy.

Rockerfeller moved many New York State offices to the WTC when it opened to achieve somewhat-near occupancy, and keep the WTC from being labeled a "white elephant".

Saving nearly half the cost of construction by topping them out at 67 floors would have made them almost instantly profitable.

Not true!

In fact it would have created huge losses for the WTC.

Think land acquisition costs, design costs, overhead costs etc.

[hellinahandcart]

Nothing in that post about cheap construction, Tukey. So I'm not interested in enlightening you with the WTC tenants' list or anything else. Now STFU.

[Tuco-bad]

Nothing in that post about cheap construction,

"Cheap" meaning the WTC should have been topped at 67 stories, but was continued so that the project would not be a huge financial failure.

[hellinahandcart]

obfuscates to the point that you just get bored with engaging him on the point any further.

Yeah, I'm there now, dude...what a waste of time.

[dead]

I should have warned you sooner.

[dead]

bttt

[texasbluebell]

Your brother's story has me in tears. I'm so sorry you lost him. He was a hero.

[Lancey Howard]

Anniversary BUMP.

[dead]

Thanks for the bump. I hadn’t read this since I posted the link. Very powerful.

[Lancey Howard]

That was one 9-11 story that really stuck with me for some reason.