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Oil Companies, Feds Deceive Public on Additive's Hazards
NEWSMAX ^ | 4/18/02 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 04/17/2002 5:20:59 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

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1 posted on 04/17/2002 5:20:59 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I knew this was in California before I even read the text of the post.
What do we do when we suck all industry dry?
2 posted on 04/17/2002 5:23:22 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Gee, MTBE must be OK. Gov. Gray just extended the time the oil companies have to eliminate it...
3 posted on 04/17/2002 5:23:27 PM PDT by null and void
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To: JeanS
Go to a sevice economy. Want frys with that?
4 posted on 04/17/2002 5:24:11 PM PDT by null and void
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To: JeanS
"What do we do when we suck all industry dry?"

Big government steps in with a welcome hand and gently rapes the nation.

5 posted on 04/17/2002 5:30:49 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Ethanol is a replacement for MTBE. So what's taking the oil companies so long to dump MTBE?????
6 posted on 04/17/2002 5:34:19 PM PDT by hove
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Gently? Ha! Not likely.
7 posted on 04/17/2002 5:38:42 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: hove
Money Money Money, they don't want to share with ADM.

ME I sit down wind of their ethanol plant all day, smells like a brewery.

8 posted on 04/17/2002 5:38:51 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: *Enviralists;Ernest_at_the_Beach
index bump and fyi
9 posted on 04/17/2002 5:41:52 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: JeanS
It's the eventual control that's important.

One must consider what Bush has taken away from them since elected, they have had no public control. I too wonder if the trade was high, but realize the return. The Rats have made utter fools of themselves ever since Bush walked in the door. I see the upcoming years being truly significant, and I do not expect the compromises we have been accustomed to.

Start reading your history books about "people's government", "government which fears the people"...

10 posted on 04/17/2002 5:48:03 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: JeanS
This time, the sue-bots are correct. Industry knew of the problems, there is decades worth of documentation of the toxic nature of MTBE. They could have gone with ethanol, but chose the greater short-term profits of MTBE. That decision may destroy them.

Don't believe the soon to come whining that the state made them use MTBE. California politicians are firmly in the pocket of Big Oil, IMHO, and mostly do whatever they say.

Politicians could not ignore the outcry over MTBE. There is too much evidence, too much public outcry, too many lawsuits filed. Note that this suit was filed four years ago.

11 posted on 04/17/2002 5:55:43 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: dts32041
ME I sit down wind of their ethanol plant all day, smells like a brewery

And that's bad because....

Grew up within a block of the Yuengling Brewery. Sweetest smell on earth!

12 posted on 04/17/2002 5:59:37 PM PDT by leadhead
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Start reading your history books about "people's government", "government which fears the people"...

Yes. Individuals and cities should also be suing the state. Politicians and greenies knew the risks, they were very well informed of the nature of MTBE. Grey-out Davis was one of the people pushing MTBE, i do believe. The state chose to ignore the evidence, and attempted to hush the outcry. Davis is still covering for his buddies at Chevron.

13 posted on 04/17/2002 6:00:09 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: leadhead
Now did I say that was bad, just describing the smell.
14 posted on 04/17/2002 6:07:56 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: jimtorr
IIRC, it was the environmental lobby that asked for MTBE and ethanol to be added to gasoline. And this is what we got when the Federal government put these into the law.

The oil companies would have gone on and happily not put any extra/costly additives to gasoline. They would be happy just to pump out gasoline instead of having to make blends. Thats yet another step in the manufacture of fuel, and adds costs.

15 posted on 04/17/2002 6:13:27 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: hove
"So what's taking the oil companies so long to dump MTBE?????"

MTBE remains the required additive by the regulatory authority in many markets.

Moreover, ethanol production is insufficient to replace MTBE in all markets.

And, finally, neither MTBE nor ethanol contribute to the goal of cleaner air. Automobiles built since the early nineties do not need an oxygenated fuel to reduce hydrocarbon emissions to the required standard. All that MTBE and ethanol accomplish is to a.) increase the cost of gasoline by about 15 cents per gallon, where it is mandated and b.) reduce mpg by about 15-20%.

The Clean Air Act foisted this vile, unwanted (and unnecessary) stuff off on us. Nobody but Congress and the EPA is responsible for this horrid unintended consequence. The Act should be repealed forthwith.

16 posted on 04/17/2002 6:16:52 PM PDT by okie01
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To: JeanS
"What do we do when we suck all industry dry?"

Who is John Galt?

--Boris

17 posted on 04/17/2002 7:47:32 PM PDT by boris
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I don't know if this will be a campaign issue with Davis or not!

Guess we should put it on the list anyway !

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18 posted on 04/17/2002 9:03:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I think it's a crime what the state legislature has done. They know of the dangers of MTBE, and have refused to take action on it.

The state GOP should be out in front on this one! But as usual they are missing the boat. I'm becoming convinced that the state GOP leadership are either absolute morons, or more concerned about their status and stature within the party than for the party and the state itself.

19 posted on 04/17/2002 9:21:17 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach, Tumbleweed_Connection
This is an example of what happens when "environmentalists" get control of an issue. Just how Simon could use the issue is not obvious, but should be possible.
20 posted on 04/17/2002 9:40:34 PM PDT by quimby
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