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Power plant licensing delays could spur crisis in two years
The Oakland Tribune ^ | Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 4:35:59 AM MST | David Montero

Posted on 03/24/2002 10:20:24 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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1 posted on 03/24/2002 10:20:24 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 03/24/2002 10:21:51 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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From the same Governor who now wants to break the power supply contracts that he signed a few months ago we have this:

Steve Maviglio, an official with Gov. Gray Davis, said the governor also plans to hold power suppliers to the contracts they signed last summer that legally obligate them to build power plants within the next three to five years.

"If they don't, we'll sue them," he said

3 posted on 03/24/2002 10:24:27 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Well ... I believe Roger Hedgecock has stated that Dufus Davis has cancelled 31 new power plants. California better wake up and get rid of this guy before he sinks us in the ocean.
4 posted on 03/24/2002 10:51:43 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: CyberAnt
Check out the Dan Walters article I posted !
5 posted on 03/24/2002 10:54:53 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Bumping.
6 posted on 03/24/2002 10:56:05 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The blooming idiot Grayout Davis has just cost our plant a number of jobs, including mine. Every power company is holding off building now in hopes that they can provoke a crisis and get the same kind of sweetheart deals Davis signed.

Our main product, highly efficient gas turbines, has just went from boom not many years ago to bust now. Thanks, slimeball. My only regret is that I won't be able to cast an absentee vote in California against Davis this year, because I'm not moving back there. My last day of work here is March 29 thanks to Doofus Davis, Enron and all the other scoundrels who wrecked a once stable market.

7 posted on 03/24/2002 11:53:32 PM PST by Rubber Ducky
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To: Rubber Ducky
Sorry about your job. GE?
8 posted on 03/25/2002 1:33:42 AM PST by snopercod
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To: Rubber Ducky
Damn. Sorry to hear about the job situation. Sigh!
9 posted on 03/25/2002 1:35:57 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Then, with Gov. Gray Davis imposing price caps that are supposed to run through October...

Governor Doofus didn't impose price caps, FERC did. And they expire in September.

It is simply amazing that Davis says he'll sue companies who don't build plants, while the State routinely blocks new projects. We just had a thread here about Mirant not being allowed to make a major plant expansion because California is afraid that it would kill minnows in San Francisco Bay.

Save The Minnows, and pass the flashlight.

10 posted on 03/25/2002 4:45:38 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If Californians are stupid enough to put Davis back in the Governors mansion then in about 18 months the current power contracts will be terminated and shortly there after the prices on the spot market will spike. Davis is either the stupidest Governor California has ever had or he is determined to see how rich he can make certain energy companies.
11 posted on 03/25/2002 7:12:19 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: Rubber Ducky;Joe Hadenuf
Sorry about the job.
12 posted on 03/25/2002 8:18:17 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for the post.

What CEO and board of any power producing company would want to build a power producing plant in Kali!

First of all there is the Fascist Davis and his criminal Attorney General threatening to sue any power company on any given day.

If your company makes a profit, you could be sued years downstream for making a profit. Making a profit providing electricity is evil in the eyes of the left wing maggots who control Kali.

The Rat controlled legislature is controlled by socialists and communists who are anti business, hate business and think that profits are criminal, particuliary any utility profits.

Then, you have the Fascists like Davis who hate any business except those who give massive sums to Davis and other rats to insure that their business is the one the fascist state of Kali has authorized.

The economy terrorists, the envirals hate any power plant!

Last but not least about half the population of Kali feels that they deserve a free lunch or a heavily subsidized one when it comes to their utility bills.

If I ran power companies, I would build low cost and reliable plants in Nevada and Arizona and maybe Mexico to provide the power needs after Davis, and the above cause more shortaqes/blackouts in the near future. Then, I would build power transmission lines and give the state 7% of the gross KWH costs of all electricity sent across the lines and a lower payment of 2-3% for the cities/counties where the lines are or the power flows. That should buy all the politicians. Then I would give 5% to the envirals to get them off of my back. Then add all of these costs on to the final price to all customers as a useage fee approved by the state, county, city!

In a year these leeches would be so addicted to the extra fees, I could conduct business without much problems from them. If they want to increase fees, fine, I would just tack them on the bill and say that Davis wanted 5% more and the Club Sierra needed another 10%. None of these extra fees would be hidden, the end user would know who the leech was and how much the leech got!

13 posted on 03/25/2002 8:24:04 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Sorry about the job.

???

14 posted on 03/25/2002 8:40:16 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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I'm sorry -- meant for you to see post#7 and Rubber Ducky's comments!
15 posted on 03/25/2002 8:43:28 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Grampa Dave
I agree with almost all that you stated. Except :

None of these extra fees would be hidden, the end user would know who the leech was and how much the leech got!

The politician's would pass a law that would force you to hide the charges in some trumpted up way!

16 posted on 03/25/2002 8:46:27 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Well apparently part of the phoney derreging laws had the real benefactors of fees hidden until PG&E posted them on bills. I can't remember exactly what the deal was or if it was some of the so called Green power companies scams. They screamed when PG&E posted some reality on their bills.

Local enviralist rats were outraged that PG&E last year put what our electricity cost them, and the limit that they could bill us. Of course this was what drove them into bankruptcy, but the truth outraged Rat Enviralists up here!

So I just carried an enlarged copy of my bill around to show and help educate people and to drive these Rats a little more insane!

Anyway, the State of Nevada could make a fortune with power plants all over the Nev/Cal state line. You and I could call the the Ernie and Dave Power Rescuers. I could probably get a better bond rating to raise funds than Davis will get on his free electrical lunch bonds.

17 posted on 03/25/2002 9:00:19 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Oh, OK, no problemo.
18 posted on 03/25/2002 9:10:53 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Grampa Dave
Ernie and Dave Power Rescuers.

ROFLTTCTM-EYES!!!

I got connections in Vegas and I like the sound of that!

19 posted on 03/25/2002 2:53:51 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Steve Maviglio, an official with Gov. Gray Davis, said the governor also plans to hold power suppliers to the contracts they signed last summer that legally obligate them to build power plants within the next three to five years.

"If they don't, we'll sue them," he said.

This is way too confusing for me.

If power generators don't live up to their contracts to build power plants (the same power plants that Davis and the Legislature said they would condemn) California will sue the power companies.

On the other hand if power companies don't allow California to get out of long term power contracts (that Davis praised as saving the state from blackouts) then California will sue the power companies.

I guess this give new meaning to "damned if you do, damned if you don't." I sure hope the Republicans running for office do a TV commercial with Davis picture on the right of the screen saying one thing, and then Davis picture on the other side of the screen saying the exact opposite. If they did this on enough topics, I am sure that some of the people would begin to understand how much cow-excement come out of the Gov's mouth.

20 posted on 03/25/2002 3:16:29 PM PST by Robert357
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