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Rumsfeld: Don't Expect Trapped Al-Qaida Fighters To Surrender
MSNBC ^ | 3-8-02 | Brokaw,Rumsfeld

Posted on 03/12/2002 8:45:05 PM PST by Stephie87

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1 posted on 03/12/2002 8:45:05 PM PST by Stephie87
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Bomb, bomb, bomb. Kill, kill, kill. Win, win, win. Take no prisioners.
2 posted on 03/12/2002 8:58:28 PM PST by Pushi
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3 posted on 03/12/2002 9:00:01 PM PST by Hipixs
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Rumsfeld: Don't Expect Trapped Al-Qaida Fighters To Surrender

Best news I've heard all day.
No tax dollars wasted on pleasure junkets to sunny Cuba for these jokers!
4 posted on 03/12/2002 9:04:30 PM PST by VOA
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Seeing these people have been supposedly trapped how many times before, it is doubtful they have reason to surrender.
5 posted on 03/12/2002 9:05:26 PM PST by RLK
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Rumsfeld: Don't Expect Trapped Al-Qaida Fighters To Surrender

But, for $1,000 they can stay in America. (cynical chuckle)

6 posted on 03/12/2002 10:28:51 PM PST by Barnacle
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Iraqi citizens would no doubt support us -- only if they were assured that Suddam would be toppled. Otherwise, their support of any US initiative would result in certain death.

Our biggest problem in dealing with Iraq, is to make certain we take out Suddam, and not one of his many impersonators. Our next biggest problem is -- who will replace Suddam? And we need to be very careful, for we have chosen badly in the past in other countries.

We also need to be wary of the Kurds we are supporting, to make certain they do not represent the same run of Islamic extremists that became the Taliban and/or the AlQueda who flew planes into the WTC.

7 posted on 03/12/2002 10:48:10 PM PST by bjcintennessee
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no surrender?? and this is a bad thing?
8 posted on 03/12/2002 10:58:48 PM PST by GeronL
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But, for $1,000 they can stay in America. (cynical chuckle)

Not cynical just ridiculous.

9 posted on 03/12/2002 11:00:25 PM PST by Texasforever
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If they prefer death to our "prison" resorts with 3 squares a day plus a snack, free medical and dental care, clean clothes, Korans for free, and their very own prayer room to summon more terrorists, and we don't cut off their heads, Fine.
If they want to bitch about what we have to offer, better to make sure there are no prisoners.
11 posted on 03/13/2002 4:23:30 AM PST by concerned about politics
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Correction. You stated Russia was there 10 years and had their asses handed to them on a platter. Wrong. Russia was there for 10 years fighting the ENTIRE COUNTRY. The US is only fighting pockets of mostly foreign terrorists. This bunch of hardened fighters currently engaged by the US......well, imagine an entire nation of them, not just a pocket. Not only that, the US had resident Afghans basically show them the way to all the camps and cells.

Don't get me wrong, in the end Russia couldn't shake the Afghans' resolve. The US is plowing through successfully. I'm glad they are. But to be fair, we must properly evaluate the enemies during actual battle. Could you imagine the resistance of the entire Afghan population, fighting to the death like this current cell of Al Quaida? That's what Russia faced. Apples and oranges!

12 posted on 03/13/2002 5:49:44 AM PST by mikhailovich
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Seeing these people have been supposedly trapped how many times before, it is doubtful they have reason to surrender

What are you talking about. They have never been trapped. The Afganistan fighters went to the hills and caves against the British, they did it against the Russians, and they are trying it against us.

At no other time have they been trapped. In every other case they maintained the impregnable fortress. This time are trapped. Their fortress is nowhere near impregnable. It is a death fortress.

Always before they were in the caves and the only way in was to try to bomb or shoot your way in. The air weapons used against them were not good for the task. When the Russian planes got close enough to do dammage they were close enough for the Afghanistan troops to shoot down. The number of Russian aircraft wrecks (both fixed and choppers) in the valleys of Afghanistan are incredible. They have only taken a few of ours down.

When the Russians tried to assault the mountains, they were killed. After each Russian retreat the Afghanisatn troops sent their women down to strip the dead Russian bodies. Then the Russians would try again. WE have the weapons to kill them. All it takes is a few days of clear weather. Winter will end and summer will come. And as soon as we have a few clear days they are all dead.

This time we have the kinds of airweapons that can hit targets from a distance that protects our aircraft, and still allows accurate missile attacks. We have people close enough to spot and kill them as they try to escape. With our weapons their caves turn out to be death traps. Our missiles just blow the cave openings shut. Real shut. Mostly the explosion takes all the air and kills all inside while blowing the opening shut. Even if they survive inside and try to use explosives from inside the cave to blow it open, they just blow it more shut. Those that surivive in side will run out of fuel to burn for heat and light, food to eat, and water to drink. Then they slowly die in their caves. They have never faced this kind of siege before.

We were well aware of what we were going to face. The reason the Taliban left the cities and went to the hills with out a fight, was so they could surivive to take the nation back. They did not make us fight door to door to take the cities because the felt they could surive and retake the cities with guerilla tactics from the safe haven of the mountain caves.

They felt such tactics would result in a low cost victory for them once again. After all it had worked before. What they failed to understand is that we were hard at work on a the tactics and weapons to beat their stratety well before we ever made a move in response to 911. If we were not certain that we could win, we would not have made the move.

Only the media could believe we did not see where this was going and prepare for it. If you look at my old posts starting in mid october of last year I was talking about the siege of the Taliban in the mountains as being the major battle for Afghanistan.

Last fall I did not know we had weapons to kill them in the caves. I did know we had the force necessary to keep them from escaping from the mountains. And if we had that there was no way the Taliban could survive.

This is going exactly according to plans drawn up last september. The only think we can't control is the weather. But that only effects the timing, not the result.

Brokaw questions the timing hoping viewers will be dumb enough to question the result. As usual, Tom figures his audience correctly.

13 posted on 03/13/2002 7:43:58 AM PST by Common Tator
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Brokaw: Senator Tom Daschle, who’s the Democratic Majority Leader in the Senate, said recently that this war on terrorism is not over and won’t be over until we have broken the back of al-Qaida. Some of his Republican counterparts were critical of him for those remarks. How did you feel about them? Rumsfeld: I can’t imagine why anyone would be critical of him saying that the global war on terrorism won’t be over till we’ve broken the back of international terrorists, if that’s roughly the quote you gave. I certainly agree with that. It sounds like it’s the president’s words.
Funny i don't remember it this way.
14 posted on 03/13/2002 7:52:52 AM PST by SPRINK
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"Rumsfeld: Don't Expect Trapped Al-Qaida Fighters To Surrender"

Translated "Rumfeld: Don't Expect the USA to take prisoners. It's grind up into lamb meal time."

15 posted on 03/13/2002 10:04:29 AM PST by kinghorse
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< GOLDFINGER >No, I expect you to die.< /GOLDFINGER >
16 posted on 03/13/2002 10:06:00 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Pushi
NUKe them, we can always say we accidently hit THEIR nukes with our conventional bombs, and set them off.
17 posted on 03/13/2002 10:08:33 AM PST by timestax
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NUKE them, and save American lives!!
18 posted on 03/13/2002 10:09:04 AM PST by timestax
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To: GeronL
NUKE those mountain caves, it's the ONLY way to kill them.
19 posted on 03/13/2002 10:12:42 AM PST by timestax
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Translation: Don't expect U.S. troops to go out of their way to let them surrender. A cell with views of the Carribean at GITMO is too good for these murderous fanatics.
20 posted on 03/13/2002 10:29:38 AM PST by arm958
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