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UNLIMITED FORCED DRUGGING OK D BY COURT
AAPS ^ | 3/8/02 | AAPS

Posted on 03/11/2002 7:41:50 PM PST by Beata

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To: Beata
Here is the quandry (looking at the big picture). For the purpose of discussion, let us assume the man is psychotic and he has a documented mental disease. One of the biggest problems we have in our society is that no one can force such a patient to take medication.....this is why so many relapse when released from a mental health care facility. We cannot make them take their meds and we cannot force treatment on them. Reality bites...we do not have the resources to commit every documented mental patient who refuses treatment & they fall through the cracks.

As a result, they are wandering the street (a large percentage of the homeless). Some are not dangerous to themselves or others, others are dangerous to themselves but not others, and many are dangerous to others.

I am not advocating forced medication by the government on anyone. But at the same time, I am the first one to complain. "Well what do you expect? They diagnose, treat, release with instructions, but no followup" when I hear of a crime treated by a "former mental patient" who went off his meds.

No easy answers to the age old debate "rights of the individual vs. the safety of others" I am a strong believer in individual rights, but wrestle with many contradictions.

41 posted on 03/12/2002 9:47:17 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Sequitur
That's just strains sanity doesn't it.
42 posted on 03/12/2002 9:53:12 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Beata
Newsmax article posted here .
43 posted on 03/12/2002 10:03:06 AM PST by Database
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To: Pern
This is bizarre. Maybe we need to send this to Bob Barr or Tom DeLay.
44 posted on 03/12/2002 10:09:56 AM PST by hsmomx3
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To: Beata
Never let yourself be taken.

And what about the War on (Some) Drugs? I guess these drugs are "legal"?

45 posted on 03/12/2002 10:17:50 AM PST by Jonathon Spectre
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To: TigersEye
! I'd take 10,000 mikes of acid any day before I'd put a single pill
of Zoloft or Welbutrin in me. At least I'd still know my name and how to work the remote on the TV.

You are SO sadly misinformed, and you do a great disservice to those who genuinely
need these medications to conduct normal lives. Please don't spew this kind of misinformation.

46 posted on 03/12/2002 10:53:01 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: TigersEye
LOL!!!! Who has told you those ridiculous things about Zoloft and Welbutrin??
47 posted on 03/12/2002 12:11:59 PM PST by Dianna
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To: MissAmericanPie
--no problem! Need a confession? Drug 'em! No problem, want to make sure no one can own a gun? Arrest them on some bogus crap, drug them to the addicted state, turn em loose with no money, they need drugs, what you expect to happen happens, pick em up a week later-they are now drug users! Can't have a gun!

The possibilities are just so groovy for the "adults in charge" now.

48 posted on 03/12/2002 1:01:35 PM PST by zog
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To: EggsAckley;Dianna
You are SO sadly misinformed, and you do a great disservice to those who genuinely need these medications to conduct normal lives. Please don't spew this kind of misinformation.

46 posted on 3/12/02 11:53 AM Pacific by EggsAckley

Dianna:

LOL!!!! Who has told you those ridiculous things about Zoloft and Welbutrin??

Nothing ridiculous or misinformed about it. I personally know several people who have been turned into walking zombies by these psychiatric psychotropic garbage drugs. Never heard of a one who was helped by them. I know people, family members included, who haven't noticably been harmed by them but none have been helped. Two are still as depressed as they were, or moreso, than they were twenty years ago when the shrinks and counselors got ahold of them.

If I can pass my SAT's on LSD with a score good enough to get into the state's leading University after skipping more than half my senior years classes and a friends wife on psychiatric care, a once intelligent forceful woman, can't take down a telephone number correctly after having it repeated slowly five times I think I know which drugs I'd take if I was forced to choose one or the other.

While we're at it why don't you tell me why psychotropic Rx's for children increased by 800% during the '90's. Are that many more children becoming mentally ill? Why? And let's take a look to see what correlation there is to 'school violence' and crimes by minors. It is a statistical fact that kids who have been on Ritalin are twice as likely to become drug addicts by the time they are eighteen years old. But they don't act up in class. The increase in scrips for kids includes Zoloft, Prozac and Welbutrin along with other mind altering drugs. Makes for nice pliable non-reactive kids. Until they come of age and the doctors cut off the scrips.

49 posted on 03/12/2002 1:15:05 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: All
Wake up people! The gooberment does want you and your children on drugs. Their drugs. That's why alcohol is legal and pot isn't. Why LSD was dropped as a treatment for depression and Prozac and the like are pushed. Why kids are on Ritalin. (A form of methamphetamine.) Boozers don't think they just go along for the ride. Pot smokers question authority. The Prozac user doesn't bother the doctor with annoying questions, the LSD user is interested in profound things like "do you really believe in this Fruedian crap, doc?". The Ritalin kid is quiet in school and becomes an illegal drug user and a ward of the state later. The boozer, the depressed but feels ok about it shrink patient and the drug addict. Good straight line socialist voters all.
52 posted on 03/12/2002 1:40:58 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: green lantern
Bump to read later
53 posted on 03/12/2002 1:44:11 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: Dianna
LOL!!!! Who has told you those ridiculous things about Zoloft and Welbutrin??

What ridiculous things are you talking about?

54 posted on 03/12/2002 1:45:31 PM PST by Al B.
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To: TigersEye
Let's see, just because YOU claim to function normally on acid, then we ALL should. Just because YOU claim to know a few people who aren't helped by seratonin drugs, then ALL people are not helped by them. Pretty general there, pal. "One size fits all." I'm allergic to curry, and most people aren't. So I guess that means that I'm NOT allergic to curry. Gee, silly me.

I never mentioned giving these drugs to kids; I am completely opposed to that. Your know-it-all attitude is bigger than your soap box, and your facts are all in your mind. It's just like the feminazis saying they're speaking for the women of America; they're not speaking for ME or any other women I know. Keep your generalizations to yourself. You know nothing about this topic; keep your libertarian "legalize-drugs" politics out of my chance to lead a normal life. YOU are the one that is dangerous, not my drug.

55 posted on 03/12/2002 3:03:28 PM PST by EggsAckley
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To: EggsAckley
Let's see, just because YOU claim to function normally on acid, then we ALL should.

I didn't claim that.

Just because YOU claim to know a few people who aren't helped by seratonin drugs, then ALL people are not helped by them. Pretty general there, pal. "One size fits all."

I didn't say all people aren't helped by them. That's two distortions of what I've said. I said these prescription psychotropics are garbage and dangerous. I stand by that. In comparison to LSD their physical and mental side effects are greater and more common. And they are prescribed in an extremely haphazard manner without adequate followup in a huge number of cases.

I never mentioned giving these drugs to kids; I am completely opposed to that. Your know-it-all attitude is bigger than your soap box, and your facts are all in your mind. It's just like the feminazis saying they're speaking for the women of America; they're not speaking for ME or any other women I know. Keep your generalizations to yourself.

BITE ME!

You know nothing about this topic;

I know lots about this topic. My father was a physician and I learned to read at age six by reading medical journals out loud to him and getting correction. I can read a PDR and know how to read between the lines. And there's a lot between the lines in most pharmaceutical drug descriptions. If aspirin had been developed in the 50's it would be a prescription drug and it's definitly wimpy compared to this psychiatric crapola.

keep your libertarian "legalize-drugs" politics out of my chance to lead a normal life. YOU are the one that is dangerous, not my drug.

I didn't say anything about legalizing drugs or libertarianism. That's three mischaracterisations of what I've said in one post. Is dishonesty indemic with you? Are you a Democrat? Or are you just stupid? As for your chances to lead a normal life I'd say they are pretty slim judging by what you've said so far.

56 posted on 03/12/2002 9:16:57 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: EggsAckley
You probably think I'm harsh and my opinion of psychiatrists is undeserved. Go to post #68 here to see the kind and compassionate attitude of a psychiatrist. He's not an aberration in the profession.
57 posted on 03/13/2002 2:39:03 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: TigersEye
It sure as heck isn't! I'd take 10,000 mikes of acid any day before I'd put a single pill of Zoloft or Welbutrin in me. At least I'd still know my name and how to work the remote on the TV.

THIS is what you said. You aren't really saying that people who take even ONE single Zoloft or Welbutrin forget their names or how to do simple things like use the remote.

THAT is ignorant and ridiculous.

58 posted on 03/13/2002 9:53:21 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Dianna
THIS is what you said. You aren't really saying that people who take even ONE single Zoloft or Welbutrin forget their names or how to do simple things like use the remote.

No I did not and am not saying that. I was using hyperbole to make a point. I said I wouldn't take a single dose of those pharmaceutical psychotropics and I wouldn't. Taking one dose implies that I would be starting a regimen of them. Having seen their effects on several people and having heard the same thing from numerous people who have come to me for health care advice and having taking my fathers opinion of the psychiatric field to heart I'd rather spend the rest of my life depressed than submit to that chemo-lobotomy.

Medicine isn't what it used to be. I know of one doc who was handing out Prozac to help his patients quit smoking. It worked. They didn't care about smoking anymore. Unfortunately they didn't care about anything else either. Work, shopping, watching their kids. I heard this story from one of his 'patients'. He said his wife put an end to it when he responded to her desire to make love with "I don't care.". If the nature of the drugs effect is so predictable that a doctor can assure his patients that they will stop smoking because they won't care one way or the other about smoking, and apparently anything else, then that indicates it is not an effect isolated to specific individuals.

Why do people need a drug for every emotion to get through life now? This wasn't the case for centuries prior. I recently heard a radio ad looking for participants in a drug trial at the University of Colorado School of Medicine in Denver. They were looking for people who "felt uncomfortable in social situations". Psychopharmaceuticals to the rescue! Now you too can feel like the prom queen. You don't need to develop social skills or a positive self image just pop a pill.

59 posted on 03/14/2002 9:08:23 AM PST by TigersEye
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To: Dianna
While on 200 mgs of Lamictal, I was unable to remember the names or even the existence of my friends from HS. I'm told that such crass impairments are rare, but they do happen.
60 posted on 03/14/2002 6:58:13 PM PST by a history buff
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