Tancredo doubts he can block amnesty-extension bill

Denver Post ^ | March 8, 2002 | Bill McAllister

[VA Advogado]

For your info many reform groups pull people from diverse political backgrounds that have a common interest in collaborating on a major issue.

Sure, like killing babies? I guess that's not hard to overlook when you're among friends. < /sarcasm>

[MissAmericanPie]

ROFLOL, impressive si?

[VA Advogado]

Do you always see things in black and white?

I think life and death (murder)are the two choices for these folks.

[Marine Inspector]

Thank you for your support, mostly I just get flamed, because I work for the most disfunctional agency around.

Hopefully I can round up a few more, before Bush gets his way.

[WRhine]

Bush will escalate the war to such a level, we shall be obliged not to notice any domestic actions.

I have been concerned about this ever since Bush revealed that he was not only going to maintain the status quo of not enforcing our immigration laws but incredibly encourage more illegal immigration. Yes, through the din of war much sinister legislation can be accomplished while the public has their eyes elsewhere.

[Marine Inspector]

You ever going to reply to post #622, or you just going to keep hiding?

I bet the illegal I deported today would have liked a laywer like you on his side.

[MissAmericanPie]

What great posters these will make, wow, lol.

[goldstategop]

Bill Simon is right that the feds have tied the hands of border states on immigration. So tell me, how is California, regardless of what party is running my great state going to able to do about the various economic, cultural, and social costs stemming from uncontrolled illegal immigration if President Bush insists on ramming through an amnesty? The truth is nothing. Our problems are already bad enough and do not need to be made any worse. And as Rep. Tancredo told the House when the President spoke to a Hispanic business convocation, not one person in the room applauded him when he mentioned (i)245. And I trust from the nearly unanimous views in this forum there is no one in the party base who is any way FOR a move of the sort the President wants. I can understand our opponents who say perhaps this country should go the way of the European Union and surrender its sovereignty, but not if the American people have no say in it. I want to make it loud and clear to friend and foe alike I am against this forcing an unwarranted forgiveness for removable foreign nationals in this country down our throats, period. I just hope our government listens since there's a sleeping giant about to awaken in this country if it doesn't.

[VA Advogado]

I am all for cutting welfare for ALL people. If you don't want to pay for the babies of welfare mothers, then write your folks in Colorado or Washinton and tell them. I dont disagree that certain classes of people cost more money than others. You can do this by race, gender, age, lifestyle, geographic region or country that your parents came from.

[WRhine]

There is one less Mexican eligible for amnesty tonight. I bagged and tagged him and he is now cooling his heals in Sheriff Joe Arpaio's downtown jail, waiting for his one-way ticket to Mexico in the morning.

Great work Marine Inspector. I know you got a tough job and I'm happy that we have patriots like you enforcing the law of land and protecting US!

[rightofrush]

FAIR is a left-wing "progressive" organization that was pushing "liberation" theology to bost the Sandanistas and other commie latino revolutionarys.

[Dakmar]

Dane is a hero here and a very bright and articulate poster.

Dane, how do you feel about people spreading lies about you?

[Marine Inspector]

I am all for cutting welfare for ALL people.

We agree on this, but do you agree that illegal Mexicans are the biggest welfare burden on the American taxpayer.

I live in Arizona, and Colorado has a very little problem compared to this state. It only a matter of time before the State goes broke because of the welfare burden of the illegal alien population.

[Marine Inspector]

Thanks for the kind comments.

[WRhine]

I am all for cutting welfare for ALL people. If you don't want to pay for the babies of welfare mothers, then write your folks in Colorado or Washinton and tell them. I dont disagree that certain classes of people cost more money than others. You can do this by race, gender, age, lifestyle, geographic region or country that your parents came from.

This concerns you...Yeah Right. When we have a population of 3rd world illegals in this country that is growing at an exponential rate and our treasonous politicians allow them to vote you can kiss any welfare reform goodbye. In fact, only a moron would expect anything other than more and more welfare and ever-higher taxes as their numbers grow.

[Dakmar]

I dont disagree that certain classes of people cost more money than others. You can do this by race, gender, age, lifestyle, geographic region or country that your parents came from.

Any specific suggestions, ace?

[Semaphore Heathcliffe]

re: your 814 The jobs/wages situation is too chicken/egg for me to get my head around. Do Mexicans drive down the wages so whites and blacks won't take the jobs - or - whites and blacks are too good for those jobs now, and Mexicans must step in to do the dirty work.

At least up til fifteen years ago, most of the jobs that are currently heavily (if not exclusively) worked by Mexicans were worked primarily by blacks and whites. Many of them high school kids. Yard workers, grocery grunts, burger types, construction/road crews. This is the kind of stuff that I and all my friends (white kids all) did from early teens to early twenties.

Sometime in the past fifteen years, whites around here have stopped expecting their kids to work. It's possible to go weeks at a time without seeing a white kid doing the jobs in that stratum of employment. Why did they stop? They want a better life for their kids, so they don't make them stoop to the dirty work? Or, the Mexicans have driven down wages to the extent that whites won't work for so little. Hard to say, because if you travel in PA, WI, MN, and IA, for example, mostly it's white kids doing that work. Maybe not the construction, that's more adults. Whatever the case, it's become a perpetuating cycle in Texas. Because when the white kids stopped working, the Mexicans stepped in. And now there's one entire generation, maybe two, of white kids who have never seen white kids doing that work. It's "what Mexicans do."

So Mexicans do the work. And they will live fifteen people to an apartment, drive without insurance, shop at garage sales, get free health care and education. Very low overhead lifestyles. They live like that and get paid something like the equivalent of $50/hr (if we were to crash some border and do the same in another, more prosperous country). Plenty of money sent back to Mexico every Friday.

And this is where it starts getting really sticky sociologically, which you alluded to. Now we have in our society a group of people who literally are the lower class (with all the political implications that the lower class entails) and they are a distinct ethnic group. This cannot be a good thing. As the flow of immigrants is so high, and the motivation to assimilate is almost nil around here, there are just huge enclaves of "low class people of mestizo heritage" growing in the midst of all the whites whom they essentially serve as slaves. Very dicey.

[Native American Female Vet]

It is not hostility, it is pure, plain and simple disgust.

[WRhine]

Bump on PRS's Raw Talent. PRS's pictures tells the WHOLE STORY.