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Theory on origins of man gets genetic overhaul
USA Today newspaper ^ | March 7, 2002 | Dan Vergano

Posted on 03/07/2002 3:27:07 AM PST by johnandrhonda

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To: johnandrhonda
The return of the Frisian Empire!! Hoo hoo hoo hoo !
21 posted on 03/07/2002 3:11:07 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Pharmboy
In the sense that the genetic legacy of humanity is disproportionately from Africa, Dr. Templeton said, the "out of Africa" model still stands, but with modification: the two waves of migration out of Africa did not completely replace the local populations.

This is only common sense. I don't know of any advancing "civilization" that completely wiped out the local population. And we're not talking about civilizations in this context, but just generalized migrations.

22 posted on 03/07/2002 3:24:32 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Confederate Keyester
Nibiru – a member of our own solar system whose great orbit brings it to our part of the heavens once every 3,600 years.

Must be a pretty nasty place, lying as it does outside the habitable zone of the Sun. Hell, with a period of 3600 years it lies outside the orbit of Pluto, a world where helium exists naturally in a liquid state.

Do these "theorists" ever think through their hypotheses, or do they think, "gee, this sounds good so I'll run with it?"

24 posted on 03/07/2002 5:03:05 PM PST by Junior
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To: Confederate Keyester
Unless further scientific research can establish, beyond any doubt, that the only possible source of the extra genes are indeed bacteria, and unless it is then also determined that the infection (?horizontal transfer?) went from bacteria to Man and not from Man to bacteria, the only other available solution will be that offered by the Sumerian texts millennia ago.

Yeah. Uh huh. Unless we all go to work and prove that this swami-witchdoctor-whacko crapola is false, then by default the swami BS is therefore true. Right? Is that really how you think?

25 posted on 03/07/2002 5:22:29 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Confederate Keyester
Remember the mind is like a parachute it only works when it is open.

Careful. If it's too open it becomes a wind tunnel.

28 posted on 03/07/2002 5:50:20 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: COBOL2Java, GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer,Gladwin, johnboy, PatrickHenry
Hey get the real story don't listen to the SPIN!!!!!

Africa is an continent

Remember Moses crossed the Red Sea etc.

MITOMAP

Learn about mtDNA

*****Genetic Evidence****

32 posted on 03/07/2002 7:04:18 PM PST by restornu
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"In a new genetic study of modern human origins, an American scientist has found what he says is substantial evidence that could reshape the prevailing "out of Africa" theory. Among his findings, he says, is the likelihood that genes from Neanderthals and other species live on in present-day humans.

The problem with this "study" which the evolutionists are spamming all over FR is that it is total bunk. Except for two samples of Neanderthal DNA which were found quite fortuitously and prove conclusively that they were not human, we do not have any DNA of these creatures which according to evolutionists are our ancestors. Fossilized bones do not provide DNA for examination.

You can trace connections with DNA if you know the DNA of the two species being compared, however you cannot compare the DNA of two species for which you do not have the DNA of one just like you cannot compare an apple to an orange if you have never seen an orange.

What these two articles show is the total dishonesty of both the NY Times and Nature. They know better. They know they are publicizing a humongous lie. They are whores of evolution. That evolutionists so willingly make up, publish and spread such lies, shows quite clearly both that evolution is not science and that evolution is a blatant lie.

33 posted on 03/08/2002 4:33:16 AM PST by gore3000
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You are setting up straw men to knock them down. This study is based upon deductive reasoning about the timing of DNA entry into the human genome, not about how similar or dissimilar our genome is to the Neandertals. There can be no question that archaic DNA from earlier Homo is in our genes--we did not spring full-born from the head of Zeus. We had a history. Also, see below from the BBC:

DNA clues to Neanderthals

Scientists have analysed the DNA of a third Neanderthal in an attempt to shed light on the genetic history of early humans.

The results suggest that, like modern humans, Neanderthals expanded from a relatively small number of individuals.

And there is no evidence to indicate that Neanderthals interbred with modern humans, something that has always been a bone of contention among experts. The DNA was extracted from remains of a Neanderthal found in Vindija Cave, Croatia.

So far, only two other samples of DNA from Neanderthal bones have been analysed. One came from fossils found in Feldhofer Cave, western Germany, the other from a Neanderthal child found in Mezmaiskaya Cave in the northern Caucasus.

Genetic diversity

The researchers compared regions of the Neanderthals' DNA with those of humans, chimps and gorillas. "It allows us to start to say something about how much genetic variation there seems to have been among Neanderthals," said team leader Svante Paabo, Professor of Genetics and Evolutionary Biology at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Liepzig, Germany.

"The major question is if they were more like humans in having very little genetic differences within the group, or much variation like chimpanzees and the other apes," he told BBC News Online. "Although three individuals is still a very small number of individuals, the results suggest that they were more like us in having little variation rather than like the apes in having a lot.

"This may indicate that they had expanded from a smaller population as seems to be the case for modern humans, but that they represent an earlier expansion."

Interbreeding unlikely

The DNA sequence of Neanderthals could also solve another age-old mystery: whether interbreeding between Neanderthals and modern humans may have taken place.

Professor Paabo said: "Although we cannot exclude some degree of interbreeding, these results give no evidence that interbreeding took place. "We want to study more Neanderthals as well as early modern humans to begin to reconstruct the genetic history of both groups at the time when they were contemporaneous with each other."

Neanderthals lived in Europe between about 130,000 and 30,000 years ago.

The bones used in the new study were dated to at least 42,000 years ago.

Last Neanderthals

Professor Chris Stringer, Head of Human Origins at the Natural History Museum, London, UK, said the three DNA studies gave scientists a glimpse of the genetic make-up of the Neanderthals. "Neanderthals are different from modern humans - they are as different from Europeans as they are from Africans or Australians in this DNA," he said.

"Now with three of them you can start to build up a picture of their own variation and they are showing their own variation which is comparable to that of modern humans."

He said the genetic diversity of Neanderthals suggested that they declined in numbers at some point in history, perhaps because of climatic change. But unlike modern humans, they never recovered fully. "The Neanderthals did recover too but they became extinct.

"They were never in huge numbers. Their recovery would have been a gradual recovery from some kind of bottleneck."

34 posted on 03/08/2002 4:51:59 AM PST by Pharmboy
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Thanks for the article. It just confirms what I have been saying - there is no trace of Neanderthals interbreeding with humans. Your only support for the evolutionist side is the one made for 150 years by evolutionists - we will find a bone that will prove evolution someday. That's not science, it is just wishful thinking.
35 posted on 03/10/2002 4:19:59 AM PST by gore3000
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