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Radical New Views of Islam and the Origins of the Koran
The New York Times ^ | 3/1/02 (for editions of 3/2/02) | Alexander Stille

Posted on 03/01/2002 6:30:11 PM PST by GeneD

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To: GeneD

Well, we're not white, but there are 72 of us.

21 posted on 03/01/2002 7:30:11 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Dialup Llama
Several new volumes of revisionist scholarship, "The Origins of the Koran," and "The Quest for the Historical Muhammad," have been edited by a former Muslim who writes under the pen name Ibn Warraq.

"Between fear and political correctness, it's not possible to say anything other than sugary nonsense about Islam," said one scholar at an American university who asked not to be named, referring to the threatened violence. . . .

The Egyptian novelist Naguib Mahfouz was stabbed because one of his books was thought to be irreligious.

. . .when the Arab scholar Suliman Bashear argued that Islam developed as a religion gradually rather than emerging fully formed from the mouth of the Prophet, he was injured after being thrown from a second- story window by his students at the University of Nablus in the West Bank.

Ebrahim Moosa, a professor of religious studies at Duke University, as well as a Muslim cleric whose liberal theological leanings earned him the animosity of fundamentalists in South Africa, which he left after his house was firebombed.

Islamic scholarship is a very dangerous game. Wonder why it's fraught with so much fear and violence.

The New York Times is taking a big risk just printing this article.

All the Koranic scholarship in the world is not going to change a thing since the key interpreters of the Koran are the tens of thousands of mullahs at street level in Muslim countries across the globe. They run the mosques the way they see fit--and have little use for these pointy-headed academics.

The mullahs call the faithful to prayer five times a day--that's the kind of influence that counts.

22 posted on 03/01/2002 7:32:23 PM PST by henbane
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To: GeneD

23 posted on 03/01/2002 7:36:10 PM PST by Darth Sidious
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To: Pokey78
Darn, beat me to it! :-)
24 posted on 03/01/2002 7:37:05 PM PST by Darth Sidious
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To: Darth Sidious
LOL!
25 posted on 03/01/2002 7:41:18 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: denydenydeny
I noticed that as well. But it's funny how criticism of Islam is un-PC, but anything that is NOT critical of Christianity is un-PC.
26 posted on 03/01/2002 7:42:28 PM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Pokey78
Mohammed(May his tribe multiply) hath said that gay Muslims should wear a pink hajib veil.
27 posted on 03/01/2002 7:59:52 PM PST by Cato the Censor
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To: GeneD
Muhammad was a camel merchant? Like a used car salesman?
The muslims bought his story?
I don't think it was Gabreal that visited this guy and promised 'virgins', I think it was just bad cellular.
28 posted on 03/01/2002 8:02:20 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: GeneD
A fair bit (and then some) of this article is also contained in Ibn Warraq's 1995 book, "Why I am not a Muslim". Both Warraq and the author in the book mentioned in the article above have pen names. (Islam is a religion of peace.)

In contrast, the Bible has been dragged through the streets for the past couple of hundred years and still holding up nicely. Too bad the JEDP critiques are still taught in the universities without the responses from Biblical scholars. Gives one the (unfounded) impression that the Bible is doody.

Try that with the Qur'an and you'll get a fatwa for your trouble.

Have a nice day.

29 posted on 03/01/2002 8:04:47 PM PST by Bosco
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To: Ajnin
It is pretty well documented that Muhammad and Mecca were insulated from Christian culture and people, although not Jews. In fact the 20 square mile oasis of Medina had a large Jewish tribe that although practicing the religion of their fathers, acted and lived as Arabs.

The Arabs at the time of Muhammad had a sense of being "left out" of communication with God, a realization that a prophet had never come to them as did the other "people of the Book".

But by the time that the Koran had been put in writing by Muhammad's historians and followers, they had all come in full contact with Jewish and Christian cultures - Syrian, Abyssinian, and Egyptian Christians and Hebrews from the North and East.

What I never understood is that even with the ability to take from so many direct sources, the Koran still has the basic timelines of the Old Testament all screwed up. Although I have great respect for Muhammad's search for God, I could never accept the Koran as Divine because of it's many contradictions. The only way around them is to claim that it is the Bible, Jews and Christians who have it all wrong.

30 posted on 03/01/2002 8:11:41 PM PST by txzman
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To: wildehunt
I'm thinking there must be a limerick there somewhere...

There once was a terrorist named Moho
Who blew himself up in a Fahtwo
He thought for his pain
Fair maidens he'd gain
But instead got White Raisins from Fresno

31 posted on 03/01/2002 8:35:03 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: GeneD
There is a great opportunity for peace contained in this article. We could offer any Muslim terrorist that turns in his weapons 144 raisins....double the going rate for using them.
32 posted on 03/01/2002 8:49:52 PM PST by stilts
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To: Dialup Llama
Kinda like that woman that got the toy Yoda instead of the Toyota.
33 posted on 03/01/2002 9:34:25 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Dialup Llama
So they get a box of raisins? Boy are they going to be bummed.

What the hell do a bunch of Satan-worshippers expect, anyway? The devil's full of cute pranks for those who sell him their souls (in this case, for vengeance against the Western infidels and some silly tribal glory--never to be received). What a bunch of loosers!

34 posted on 03/01/2002 9:43:18 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: GeneD
Seriously? They will get a bowl of raisins instead of virgins? Well, some days are like that.
36 posted on 03/01/2002 9:49:54 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: denydenydeny
"Between fear and political correctness, it's not possible to say anything other than sugary nonsense about Islam"--or anything else--at an American university, considering the threatened violence as well as the widespread reluctance on United States college campuses to criticize other cultures.
37 posted on 03/01/2002 9:50:44 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: jimmyBEEgood
Hey, aren't those guys a bunch of fruits in the first place? I think they like to bang each other or camels or something like that. Maybe raisins'll suit 'em just fine.
38 posted on 03/01/2002 9:59:00 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Cato the Censor
I thought it was lavender. Is that the same thing as pink?
39 posted on 03/01/2002 10:00:19 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: wildehunt
I'm thinking there must be a limerick there somewhere...

Your wish is my command...

There once was a cleric named mullah
who preached of jihad to abdullah
have many virgins he said
right after your dead
but just raisins for abdullah the fulah

40 posted on 03/01/2002 10:03:08 PM PST by lafroste
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