Posted on 02/25/2002 11:01:41 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
You earn your way to hell by sinning, but God's gift to us is eternal life--if we accept that gift. Thus, no infant who dies goes to hell as they have not yet sinned.
Yup, really satisfying it must be to know it all. That secret handshake is really nifty too. You guys have every reason to be proud and self-satisfied (in addition to being omnisicient of course). It is such a winning presentation of the Gospel.
But of course I forgot. Since the presentation of the Gospel is just 'going through the motions' (since no one can accept it anyway -- it was all decided before the foundation of the world) it doesn't make any difference how obnoxious your preening now makes it seem. Isn't that the theory?
It's no wonder that there are about a half dozen of you hard-shell Calvinists left in the world. But you can have all the fun of telling each other how much smarter you are than everyone else. That's the ticket. That'll really impress the uninitiated. Let's see the thumb goes over the little finger, right?
These definitions are all either offered by calvinists on this thread or are condensations of definitions on this site recommended by JerryM: Calvinist Tulip Definition Site recommended by Jerry
T - - Total Depravity means that Natural Man is totally sinful and does not ever WANT in his own spirit to know Christ.
U - - Unconditional Election means that God has elected for His own glory, in accordance with His own will and without regard for the merit of those elected, some for salvation and some to be left in their sins.
L - - Limited Atonement means that Christ died specifically and only for the sins of those who would ever truly believe in Him.
I - - Irresistible Grace means that the elect are incapable of resisting the inward call to repentance and salvation by the Holy Spirit..
P - - Perseverance of the Saints means that all those who are truly saved will certainly be brought to heaven and to glorification and will never be lost.
Because there is no such religion as "protestant." That word is a descriptive used by historians to identify a number of movements that objected to catholic excesses and erroneous theology during the middle ages.
There are Anglicans, Presbyterians, Baptists, etc., etc. They are as different from each other as they are from catholicism. In fact, catholicism is simply another denomination in terms of today's world.
These definitions are all either offered by calvinists on this thread or are condensations of definitions on this site recommended by JerryM: Calvinist Tulip Definition Site recommended by Jerry
T - - Total Depravity means that Natural Man is totally sinful and does not ever WANT in his own spirit to know Christ.
U - - Unconditional Election means that God has elected for His own glory, in accordance with His own will and without regard for the merit of those elected, some for salvation and some to be left in their sins.
L - - Limited Atonement means that Christ died specifically and only for the sins of those who would ever truly believe in Him.
I - - Irresistible Grace means that the elect are incapable of resisting the Holy Spirit's inward call to repentance and salvation.
P - - Perseverance of the Saints means that all those who are truly saved will certainly be brought to heaven and to glorification and will never be lost.
The Question, "What Is an Arminian?" Answered by a Lover of Free Grace
The first paragraph: To say, "This man is an Arminian," has the same effect on many hearers, as to say, "This is a mad dog." It puts them into a fright at once: They run away from him with all speed and diligence; and will hardly stop, unless it be to throw a stone at the dreadful and mischievous animal.
Arminianism is based on the teachings of JAMES HARMENS, in Latin, Jacobes Arminius who lived in the late 1500s, early 1600s.
Woody and his friends will present a different picture of Arminius.
Among other things, I object to the wording of Points "L" and "I" (Point "L" is poorly worded. Point "I" is downright incorrectly worded).
I will offer to correct the wording of these two points; but I will respectfully refuse to offer this correction until after the Arminians will offer a one-sentence summation of their Objection to the First Point, Total Depravity.
I also advise my fellow Calvinists NOT to accept xzins' "Calvinist Construct" as constituting a definition of Calvinism until such time as I have corrected the mis-statements of Points "L" and "I". We will not acknowledge the "Construct" as reflecting our views.
As I said, I will correct the wording of "L" and "I" (which I know to be incorrectly stated) and mull over the wording of "U" and "P" after I have been supplied with a one-sentence objection to Point "T".
However, I will NOT offer these corrections UNTIL a one-sentence objection to Point "T" is offered; and until I have made my corrections, we will not acknowledge the "Construct" as being respresentative of our views AT ALL.
Excepting, of course, point T, which is correctly stated, and which we are prepared to debate.
Your response: Gosh, I am all a tingle!
You should be. That's the most exciting news in the history of the world. Truly Good News to -- I know this is hard for you to hear -- everyone.
Would you be kind enough good sir to post some scripture for this!
No, but the Bible does clearly say what a man needs to believe?
So, how does a man believe in Christ?
So, is Christ's Atonement intended for those dying in Infancy?
If not, how can you claim to believe in Universal Intent of Atonement? When you say that Christ died for all, of the world, do you not in fact mean that Christ died for the sins of "all, the world -- except dying infants, who require no atonement"??
If this is what you mean, then we shall put the lie to the Arminian claim that he believes in a universal intent of Atonement. You do not.
So -- is the Atonement intended for those who die in infancy, or is it not??
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