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Evolution debate: State board should reject pseudoscience
Columbus Dispatch ^ | February 17, 2002 | Editorial

Posted on 02/18/2002 4:59:53 AM PST by cracker

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To: lexcorp
Such proof HAS been given.

If you mean your link way back in post#29, it was not proof of anything, least of all of macro-evolution. All it gave proof of is that evolutionists call any article link "proof" in the hope that no one will follow it. However, if I missed that momentous moment which no one seems to want to refer to, kindly give us all the number of the post where the proof was shown. We are all waiting on baited breath to hear it.

801 posted on 02/25/2002 8:32:59 PM PST by gore3000
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To: oldcats
Then it should not be taught in schools as a "scientific" theory."

Yes evolution should not be taught as a scientific theory. It should not be allowed in the schools until they can give clear, incontrovertible proof that macro-evolution does indeed occur (which they cannot).

802 posted on 02/25/2002 8:37:23 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Junior
As far as I can tell, the Theory of Evolution makes no mention of God whatsoever."

Well, evolutionists constantly deny God, they deny the Bible, they attack those who believe in the Bible as yahoos and worse. They certainly deny the Word, they certainly deny that God created all living things, they certainly deny that God created man. Remember the Scopes trial? (which BTW the evolutionists lost). They love to attack religion.

803 posted on 02/25/2002 8:42:07 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Junior
" Milk production is part of the definition of mammal, but it also includes all the other stuff mentioned earlier (dentition -- a biggie, hair or fur, number of holes in the skull, warm-bloodedness, single lower mandible and differentiated ear bones, etc.) "

That the above features do often occur in most mammal species is undeniable. But that is not the point. The point is that an animal such as the platypus is considered a mammal because it has mammary glands even though it lacks many of the above features.

The larger point as I have mentioned several times, and you evolutionists totally ignore, is that extrapolation just confirms prejudices, it adds no new knowledge. For example, using the platypus as an example again. If it was not a living species, it never would have been classified as a mammal, none of its uniqueness such as its killing poison, it's sensory radar, it's egg laying, its not having separate excretory and sexual ducts and many other interesting features would have never been known. It would have been just one more set of bones like any other stuffed into some procrustean bed by lazy paleontologists.

804 posted on 02/25/2002 8:50:19 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Junior
"Certain bacteria have also been known to gobble minerals straight. "

Yes, that's why I mentioned chemosynthesis. It is not very common, and the process is not very well understood yet, but it is even more complicated than photosynthesis and that is why as a source of nutrition for the first life form it is just as unlikely as photosynthesis.

805 posted on 02/25/2002 8:53:11 PM PST by gore3000
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To: AndrewC
"I am convinced that natural selection has been the main but not the exclusive means of modification."

Good ol' Chuckie! Like all the evos after him, he always hedged his bets and spoke out of both sides of his mouth!

806 posted on 02/25/2002 8:59:00 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
The point is that an animal such as the platypus is considered a mammal because it has mammary glands even though it lacks many of the above features.

No. The platypus is considered a mammal because it shares these features in addition to having mammary glands. If there were no know extant platypi (sorry, Plato) their fossilized remains would still be classed as mammalian because of these other features.

808 posted on 02/26/2002 1:59:37 AM PST by Junior
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To: gore3000
Well, evolutionists constantly deny God, they deny the Bible, they attack those who believe in the Bible as yahoos and worse.

Since when? I'm a church-going, Bible studying (and believing) Roman Catholic. There are some parts of the Bible meant to be taken as poetic allegories, and guess what? Genesis is one of those. The only folks we "attack" are those who cling to a faulty interpretation of the Bible regardless of the evidence. In other words, when your beliefs fly in the face of reality, it is time to reexamin those beliefs. Don't worry, though, this will not make you a Satan-worshipping atheist -- though if you become RC, many here will consider it the same thing.

809 posted on 02/26/2002 2:05:13 AM PST by Junior
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To: gore3000
I corrected the 1:3 ratio in a later post, and ran the numbers myself. Even if my calculations were extremely rough, and even if they were off by an order of magnitude (highly unlikely, but for the sake of argument) you would still not have to drain the ocean for the current atmosphere.
810 posted on 02/26/2002 2:10:28 AM PST by Junior
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To: Junior
In other words, when your beliefs fly in the face of reality, it is time to reexamin[e] those beliefs.

The reality, is that evolutionists after 150 years of saying that evolution is true, cannot give proof for their theory. The reality is that evolutionists use this totally unproven theory to attack the beliefs of Christians. A famous example is the Scopes trial. Another good example is the writings of the virulent atheist, and current banner bearer of evolution Richard Dawkings. While Darwin, dishonestly, never professed himself an atheist, most of those around him were self-professed atheists.

811 posted on 02/26/2002 4:24:26 AM PST by gore3000
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To: Junior
I corrected the 1:3 ratio in a later post, and ran the numbers myself....

Face it, "Junior", you're not bright enough to "run numbers". You can barely handle a keyboard.

812 posted on 02/26/2002 4:54:55 AM PST by medved
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To: medved
Face it, "Junior", you're not bright enough to "run numbers". You can barely handle a keyboard.

Ted, I cringe when others insult you for lack of courtesy and common sense. It hurts me when I do it to others too, even when I am returning fire. Junior is no more in error than our spelling mistakes.

813 posted on 02/26/2002 5:32:02 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: Doctor Stochastic
(Think black smokers.)

I thought George Burns was....

Oh, you must mean Bill Cosby

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814 posted on 02/26/2002 5:41:09 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: gore3000
See. That wasn't so hard. We actually agree on something. For the rest of you, if this doesn't prove the existence of God, I don't know what does.

So science doesn't always proceed in a logical, organized way. To your comment:

This is a side trip into science because evolutionists keep denying that science gives any proof.

This isn't a side trip, it goes to your mantra about "proof". I'm not sure that the evos are denying science gives proof. For some folks posting, overwhelming evidence is close enough to call proof. Myself being more the mathematician, I still call it overwhelming evidence rather than proof. And I would like more of the details filled in before calling anything in biology proof.

And for the record, I'm not an "evo", I'm a "thevo". I thought we settled that.

815 posted on 02/26/2002 5:41:28 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: gore3000
Sorry I was so obtuse in my last posting....If you will read what I said, I said that creationism should not be taught in school, because it has NO scientific basis.

Oldcats

816 posted on 02/26/2002 5:43:15 AM PST by oldcats
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To: gore3000
While Darwin, dishonestly, never professed himself an atheist,

I'm not sure that can be concluded. The record seems to indicate a loss of faith which resulted in agnosticism.

817 posted on 02/26/2002 5:45:28 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: medved
This coming from a guy who can't get over the fact that Earth orbitting Saturn and surviving the experience is pert near impossible. Still haven't gotten over the mathematical analysis of that, have you?
818 posted on 02/26/2002 5:48:03 AM PST by Junior
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To: gore3000
Do you know what a non-sequitur is? The parts of your 791 make no whole at all.
819 posted on 02/26/2002 5:50:09 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: gore3000
...cannot give proof for their theory.

One cannot give "proof" for anything. One can present evidence that one's theory is the best one going to explain certain phenomena -- and that's precisely what evolution does. No one yet has presented any evidence that Biblical creation is a better theory; all they can do is harp on a theory for which they have only a passing aquaintance. If, for example, you could show how creationism is better than evolution at explaining the fossil record and the diversity of life around us, then you would have a dog in this hunt. However, you can't so you don't. Rale against progress all you want -- science is pretty much going to just ignore you and go about its business.

820 posted on 02/26/2002 5:54:32 AM PST by Junior
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