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Mysterious Force Holds Back NASA Probe In Deep Space
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 2-10-2002 | Robert Matthews

Posted on 02/09/2002 6:34:49 PM PST by blam

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To: longshadow; Physicist
Humiliated again by Physicist (gods, that guy's a treasure!) but I'm still lurking ...
141 posted on 02/10/2002 11:17:25 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Humiliated again by Physicist [snip]...

Nonesense; just think of yourself as being the scientific equivalent to Gracie Allen. You get to "set up" the punchlines. Without you asking good questions, we wouldn't hear all those great answers.

Now, say good night, Gracie.....

143 posted on 02/10/2002 12:18:21 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Nonesense; just think of yourself as being the scientific equivalent to Gracie Allen. You get to "set up" the punchlines.

Thanks. I feel much better now.

144 posted on 02/10/2002 1:14:53 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: troublesome creek
...........gary coleman

Damn! It took me a minute or two.........Hahahhahahahahaha!

145 posted on 02/10/2002 2:26:21 PM PST by DoctorMichael
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To: AmerRepb
So, does the solar wind protect us from the incoming galactic particles in any way? Just curious as I have never considered this before.
146 posted on 02/10/2002 4:02:18 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: RadioAstronomer
Hey, imagine finding you on this thread!
147 posted on 02/10/2002 4:03:54 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: blam
This article sounds like we are in some kind of protective bubble with a slightly thick invisible shell, a firmament of some kind. kewl
148 posted on 02/10/2002 5:26:09 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: CCWoody
Hi! :) Yup, here I am on this thread! LOL!!
149 posted on 02/10/2002 5:32:45 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: blam
Reminds me of a pseudo science all fiction movie I saw many years ago. After the space ship was pulled off course for most of the movie one of the "scientists" remembered that "large objects attract smaller objects". Problem solved and the journey was peacefull ever after.
150 posted on 02/10/2002 5:38:13 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: MissAmericanPie
This article sounds like we are in some kind of protective bubble with a slightly thick invisible shell, a firmament of some kind. kewl

Could be that we're surrounded by water:

Genesis
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

151 posted on 02/10/2002 5:38:40 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Wow, good catch. I wonder if this firmament has some kind of protective quality to it, like from radioactivity or too much dark matter or some other thing we don't even understand yet.

Can't wait to see what the big minds come up with.

152 posted on 02/10/2002 6:01:01 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: wasfree
Wasn't there a probe that went to Mercury back in the late 50's early 60's that was going like 100,000mph? It was supposed to be the fastest thing man had ever made. Did it crash into the sun or is it still heading off away from us?

A Mercury probe picks up speed from the sun's gravity as it heads inward. After passing Mercury, it ends up in a new orbit around the sun (most likely an eccentric orbit that stretches approximately from Mercury's orbit to Earth's orbit).

154 posted on 02/10/2002 6:17:32 PM PST by steve-b
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To: blam
The interstellar cloud complex around the sun is sweeping past the solar system in a direction roughly perpendicular to the sun’s movement with respect to the local solar neighborhood. The result of these two motions is that we observe interstellar material flowing toward the sun at about 26 kilometers per second from a direction close to the plane of the ecliptic and within about 15 degrees of the center of the galaxy. Because this material flows through the solar system, it has been dubbed the Local Interstellar Wind.

As interstellar atoms are ionized, they are “picked up” by the solar wind plasma and swept out to the heliosphere’s termination shock. Since these pickup ions are products of the interaction between the solar wind and the neutral atoms of the interstellar medium.

There, a small percentage of these ions are accelerated to cosmic ray energies and then propagate back into the inner heliosphere where they are observed as "anomalous cosmic rays." This process has recently been confirmed by the observervation on AMPTE and Ulysses that anomalous cosmic rays are, indeed, singly ionized

These anomalous cosmic rays return to the inner solar system where some are captured by the earth’s magnetosphere. In other words, these particles zip back and forth through the heliosphere: They are blown into the solar system as interstellar neutral atoms, blown out to the termination shock as pickup ions and then returned to the inner solar system as anomalous cosmic rays.

The elemental composition of interstellar clouds is much like that of the sun, about 90 percent hydrogen and 9.99 percent helium. The heavier elements make up the remaining 0.01 percent.

The heliosphere is probably well represented as stagnation point flow occuring between the solar wind and an interstellar wind. The resulting configuration is similar to the Earth's magnetosphere. Inside the heliopause, the solar wind passes through a termination shock that is elongated in the downstream direction and which is moving back and forth at speeds up to 100 km/s.

Now we know that there must be an outside force acting on Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11. Are the two Voyageer probes experiencing the same phenomena? I noticed that the Ulysses and Galeleo are also experiencing the same behavior . I think the chaos theory comes into play right about now.

Gotta get some shut eye. Let me know if you hear of anything else pertaining to this.

155 posted on 02/10/2002 7:43:03 PM PST by AmerRepb
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To: AmerRepb
Are the two Voyageer probes experiencing the same phenomena? I noticed that the Ulysses and Galeleo are also experiencing the same behavior

Check my links from post # 105. :)

156 posted on 02/10/2002 10:36:14 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: blam
Bump! Interesting stuff.

Has Nasa adjusted their data to account for Oprah's recent weight gain?

157 posted on 02/11/2002 8:22:49 AM PST by dead
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To: blam
It must be the Romulan space garbage barrier. - They've got us fenced in !!
158 posted on 02/11/2002 8:27:04 AM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: Thinkin' Gal
"Looks like another round of Trolling for Dollars."

That has to be the most cogent reply on this thread!

159 posted on 02/11/2002 8:38:34 AM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: GhostofWCooper
The fact that the know-it-alls and academicians don't quite know everything sticks in their craws, in a big way

Actually just the opposite is true, beyond the pulling of hair kind of thing. If everything were known and understood, there'd be nothing more for them to do. Data that does not fit current theories is the stuff new theories are made out of. Also new Nobel prizes and such of course.

160 posted on 02/11/2002 8:43:42 AM PST by El Gato
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