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Evil Empire’s War Talk
www.sundayheraldsun.com.au ^ | February 3, 2002 | AFP

Posted on 02/02/2002 7:49:21 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK

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To: BlackbirdSST
Oh go back to the NPR forum or the Salon forum.
221 posted on 02/04/2002 10:38:59 AM PST by Intimidator
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To: Lord-Pharoah; dighton; xcon
He sound like a interesting kind of guy. This AMMON gentleman.

He sound like you, actually.

222 posted on 02/04/2002 11:06:10 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: xcon
S'okay...;-D
225 posted on 02/04/2002 11:20:22 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Intimidator
Oh go back to the NPR forum or the Salon forum. No thanks, I'm just as happy to hang around with such great intellectuals as yourself. I mean why go elsewhere to have such coherent conversations. BTW, what exactly brought this out of you? Never been to either, and before you let your mouth overload your ass, I'm not the least bit intimidated. Blackbird.
226 posted on 02/04/2002 11:44:04 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: xcon
"Lord-Pharaoh" has turned to dust...
228 posted on 02/04/2002 2:30:17 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Darth Falar
Whether or not Pearl Harbor was all our fault, it showed that this nation was no longer protected by the oceans from sudden devastating attack from abroad. Washington's Farewell Address is predicated on America's already being isolated by geography and therefore able to ignore the rest of the world. Isolationism makes sense only on the premise of actual isolation. That premise is no longer valid.

Pearl Harbor only makes the isolationist case if all acts or threats of destruction from abroad are our fault, the fruit of our evil imperialism, which we could easily avoid by acting decently. Isolationists are forced by the logic of their position to insist that whatever attacks are mounted against America, they are always our fault. Indeed, they really have to argue that no attack could ever be made on America except as a reaction to American wrongdoing abroad. Otherwise the case for isolationism falls down in little pieces. The isolationist case is intrinsically anti-American.

Paleos all seem to hate the nation that actually exists, and love only the idea that exists in their own heads. As Buchanan reportedly says, the bad guys ''have replaced the good country we grew up in with a cultural wasteland and a moral sewer that are not worth living in and not worth fighting for -- their country, not ours.'' Quoted here.

Note: I am not endorsing the author or the New York Times or the review. Dismissive comments about any of these will be ignored, and prove nothing - the only thing I'm interested in is the quotation. If the reviewer has misquoted or distorted Buchanan, I would be interested to have some Death of the West buff post the entire paragraph in which these lines appear, along with the paragraphs preceding and following. That should give the general Freeper enough context to decide.

230 posted on 02/04/2002 4:32:07 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: Darth Falar
I'm not sure if I'm making the point clear, may need to refine it a little, but can you sort of see what I'm getting at?

Actually, you have not in any way answered my argument about the logic on isolationism. Since we are not isolated from the rest of the world any more, but are vulnerable to attack, the isolationist can only hold on to isolationism by arguing that any time we are attacked, it is our own fault. Blame America First.

But in a larger sense, I think your "point" is very clear indeed. You think that the America which actually exists is a demon-possessed zombie that might need rough handling if it is to return to the idea of it you have in your mind. I will rest my case quite comfortably both on your "point" and on your citation of Buchanan in context.

232 posted on 02/04/2002 5:53:59 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: BlackbirdSST
BTW, what exactly brought this out of you? Never been to either

Oh but you would like them and fit in very well on these forums. There are just tons and tons of pseudo intellectual left wing garbage like yourself over there.

233 posted on 02/05/2002 5:44:32 AM PST by Intimidator
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