THE EFFECTS OF REGENERATION - Calvinism

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[CCWoody]

Every church teaches this. How does your "regeneration" differ from others?

Perhaps you mean that all true Christian churches teach this. "My" regeneration is based upon a Biblical understanding of the true state of the unregenerate man. However, all true Christian churches teach that a man must be born again to inherit eternal life.

So, when you die, what next? Will your self-awareness simply fade into oblivion or will you persist for all eternity? Your choices today will determine what will be your state for all eternity.

[MEGoody]

How can dead men find things? What's the difference between this and the Calvinist belief that a dead man can't believe, etc.?

[MEGoody]

So I would be right then - Calvinists believe that man can't 'find' the narrow path - that scripture really means something else when it uses the term find? I'm curious - what do you think that passage means?

[editor-surveyor]

"What's the difference between this and the Calvinist belief that a dead man can't believe, etc.?"

You have simply re-worded the same strawman argument. - where did you get it? - Calvin never said it.

[MEGoody]

By the way, which "bizarre belief" are you refering to? Calvinism? If so, you may have misunderstood my post - I am not a Calvinist.

[editor-surveyor]

Childish twisting of words has never stood in place of honest debate. - I see your agenda.

Good-bye!

[CCWoody]

So I would be right then - Calvinists believe that man can't 'find' the narrow path - that scripture really means something else when it uses the term find? I'm curious - what do you think that passage means?

I posted a scripture verse to you. Did God "fib" when he said that Adam would die that day?

Ephesians 2:1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins...

Isaiah 65:1 "I was sought by those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me. I said, "Here I am, here I am,' to a nation that was not called by My name.

P.S. Have you read the article?

[MEGoody]

LOL Twisting of words? What words have I twisted? Wow, take a chill pill, man. No need to get so nasty.

[MEGoody]

Yes, you did post a scripture, and no, God does not lie. That does not mean that you and I will interpret what He said in the same way.

[Revelation 911]

Greetings Woody - I have a serious question for someone a bit sharper than me (includes most, I know) - Calvin was a religious man, as was Wesley - lets for sake of argument say both made it to heaven - who was right ?

[moyden]

Biblical doctrine v. humanism.

Well, now, finally a point that I can understand. And, I agree. Politics without moral structure ultimately leads to totalitarianism. Christianity seeks to discipline physical appetites for a higher good, humanism worships appetite AS the higher good.

Democracy and freedom cannot exist without personal responsibility, which in turn cannot exist without the discipline of moral code. Therefore, democracy and humanism are antipathetic.

[MEGoody]

Okay, so man is not completely spiritually dead? That he can 'find' things and chose to 'believe'? Where are you on the Calvinist spectrum? Perhaps that's where the misunderstanding is arising.

[Jerry_M]

Calvin was a religious man, as was Wesley - lets for sake of argument say both made it to heaven - who was right ?

Due to the fact that both men trusted in Christ, and Christ alone, for salvation, both were right.

Now, while I appreciate John Wesley (and even wear a copy of his signet ring on my right hand), I would have to say that John Calvin was a more diligent and thoughtful theologian than Wesley. I fully expect that the two of them are able to fellowship together as brothers at the feet of Christ.

[Revelation 911]

post #35 and #37 exemplify what I stated

[Revelation 911]

I fully expect that the two of them are able to fellowship together as brothers at the feet of Christ.

Amen Jesus

[Jerry_M]

Follow-up to my 73.

I also believe that John Wesley has made a posthumous apology to his old friend George Whitfield by now, and that the two of them are also enjoying fellowship at the throne of Christ.

[Baseballguy]

Finding Jesus clears your mind and fills your heart and soul with his spirit. You are then deemed to full fill the calling of God. This is what I believe GW is doing. Although he is a political man, his heart if with God and Christ. For no man is good and can only seek salvation thru Christ, the only way to change evil is to have them come to Christ. If they choose not then they goto hell.

[Jerry_M]

It appears that Race is unaware that the Calvinistic ("particular") Baptists took root in this country while non-Calvinistic ("general") Baptists "generally" did not. To a man, all of the founders of the Southern Baptist Convention were Calvinists. The historic Baptist Calvinistic statement of faith is the 1689 London Baptist Confession, modelled on the Westminster Confession.

The Baptist author of Pilgrim's Progress, John Bunyan, was a Calvinist.

The Baptist "Father of the Modern Missionary Movement", William Carey, was a Calvinist.

The greatest Baptist preacher of all time, Charles Haddon Spurgeon, was a Calvinist. Many a non-Calvinistic Baptist preacher has Spurgeon's Sermons on his bookshelf, and is also beholden to a vast number of Calvinistic predecessors..

One of the foremost Baptist theologians of our day, John Piper, is the pastor of the Bethlehem Baptist Church of Minneapolis, and is a Calvinist.

Baptists can, and are, Calvinists, and are becoming more so every day, whether Race believes it or not.

[Jerry_M]

Oops, my last to the two of you and doc. Sorry.

[editor-surveyor]

"Where are you on the Calvinist spectrum?"

There are those who will never believe. - No amount of effort on the part of others will be sufficient to bring these individuals to the Lord. - The Lord knew at the day of creation who these were, just as he knew who would believe.

Are you asking if I believe that there is no need, or purpose for evangelism? - I do not. - I believe that we are tools of the Holy Spirit, and follow his leading. - When people are 'led to the Lord' it is not our doing, but the Holy spirit working through us. - We cannot lead someone to the Lord at will.