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[TLBSHOW]

OH, Boy!!!! Can I join the Hitler Jugend too???

No but you can join the FREEPERS

Unbelievable!!! Fox just had Wendall Goler on talking about the bombardment of fans in Winston Salem and how none of the other networks had fans. They were teasing him. That was Howlin, Calisto and me. They said He and Jim got all the attention and the others were ignored.

We had a glorious day with the President. Howlin gave the setting for our fun. The crowd was unprecedented. The coliseum was packed with not one empty seat. People were crowding the steps and entrances with 3,000 not even allowed in. They had tickets so they almost started a mini riot.

President Bush's speech was the kick off for his USA Freedom Corp. The same you heard in the SOTU speech. In the first part, he fired the crowd up talking about the war and accomplishments "Bring them to justice or as I say GETTUM". The crowd went wild. The standing ovations were at least one a minute. Congress has nothing on the Winston Salem crowd. "We will not fail in our love and our quest for freedom" said Bush - ovation.
The 90's were "If it feels good do it. Now each of us is responsible for the decisions we make in life. Love your neighbor as yourself. Serve your community. Give 4000 hours over a lifetime. Expand Teach for America and Expand the Peace Corp to the Islamic world. He introduced John Bridgewater as the new director for USA Freedom.

I only had an envelope to take notes on. It was absolutely wonderful.

170 posted on 1/31/02 5:38 AM Pacific by goosie

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/618985/posts

OUR EXCELLENT ADVENTURE TODAY WITH GEORGE W. BUSH (and each other) Howlin

[Thanatos]

"Hi Thanatos - with respect to recent changes to federal law on searches, the statement Jesse made is technically correct in that during an investigation for terrorism, a judge may authorize law enforcement to search for evidence on premises while the occupant is not home, and without presenting the occupant with a warrant. However, law enforcement must have demonstrated a good reason for this."

Ok, you must be referring to the Bill Signed 10/26/2001 Became Public Law No: 107-56. (H.R. 3162, the USA PATRIOT Act, incorporated provisions of two earlier anti-terrorism bills: H.R. 2975, which passed the House on October 12, 2001; and S. 1510, which passed the Senate on October 11, 2001. Provisions of H.R. 3004, the Financial Anti-Terrorism Act, were incorporated as Title III in H.R. 3162.)

It is located at: H.R.3162

I'll have to read this then and go thru it to see what it actually says before I can give an Opinion on it..

[harpo11]

I don't know, isn't being in the top 3% of taxpayers enough public service?

[harpo11]

I'm sorry TLBSHOW, didn't mean for my earlier post to be sarcastic in view of Uncle Sam taking such a big bite out of my earnings.

President Bush is truly my hero and I support him with all my being. Just clicked on the USA FReedom Corpos web site...and giving you and ^5 Bump!

[CobaltBlue]

The PATRIOT act is rather lengthy, but I believe the part that is pertinent here is this one:

SEC. 213. AUTHORITY FOR DELAYING NOTICE OF THE EXECUTION OF A WARRANT. Section 3103a of title 18, United States Code, is amended—H. R. 3162—15 (1) by inserting ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—’’ before ‘‘In addition’’; and (2) by adding at the end the following: ‘‘(b) DELAY.—With respect to the issuance of any warrant or court order under this section, or any other rule of law, to search for and seize any property or material that constitutes evidence of a criminal offense in violation of the laws of the United States, any notice required, or that may be required, to be given may be delayed if— ‘‘(1) the court finds reasonable cause to believe that providing immediate notification of the execution of the warrant may have an adverse result (as defined in section 2705); ‘‘(2) the warrant prohibits the seizure of any tangible property, any wire or electronic communication (as defined in section 2510), or, except as expressly provided in chapter 121, any stored wire or electronic information, except where the court finds reasonable necessity for the seizure; and ‘‘(3) the warrant provides for the giving of such notice within a reasonable period of its execution, which period may thereafter be extended by the court for good cause shown.’’.<<

You may find the Adobe Acrobat version easier to read.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/t2GPO/http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_bills&docid=f:h3162enr.txt.pdf

The other provision that makes the paranoids go ape is Sec.219, which allows search warrants to issue from one judge in one jurisdiction that is investigating terrorism, which can be sent to other jurisdictions to be served there. It's a big change in the law, but it only applies to terrorism investigations. Usually warrants have to be issued from the jurisdiction that the bad guys are in. The center of the ongoing investigation of 9/11 is the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, because the Pentagon is in that district, and the Justice dept. is right across the Potomac River. Now a judge in Alexandria can issue warrants to be served all over the country, but only for that one investigation.

My guess is some (but not all) of the people who are freaking out are Tim McVey types, who have good reasons to feel like the government is out to get them. :)

Others probably simply don't understand the law and are afraid of it.

[snopercod]

USA Freedom Corps, AmeriCorps, not a new idea.

Kinda' make ya' think, don't it?

[snopercod]

On a cursory glance I don't see many elected officials calling for it to be mandatory.

Did you catch Bush's State of the Union Address?

My call tonight is for every American to commit at least two years - 4,000 hours over the rest of your lifetime - to the service of your neighbors and your nation.

Sorry folks, anyone who would ask such a thing is a socialist, pure and simple.

[KDD]

I'll have to read this then and go thru it to see what it actually says before I can give an Opinion on it..

Finished yet?

[Thanatos]

Yep..

Here's a Fact:

US CONSTITUTION:

"Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Nothing in the Constitution that says a Person has to be notified BEFORE a Search, or even AFTER a Search.. The only requirement is that a WARRANT be issued (supported by an TRUE Affirmation and a Probable Cause, and it has to contain the
1) The Place to be Searched,
2) The Names of the People or Things to be Seized.

This amendment allows quite abit of latitude in the area of Search and Seizure and it has no real limitations.. over the Years, Congress has Limited the scope of this amendment for various reasons..

Congress Has the Power to Create Law, To Remove Law, to Change the Law, with the concurrance of the Executive Branch (President)..

With the Patriot Act, they have Changed the scope of the Limitations they have done to the area of Search and Seizure.. And they have done it in a Constitutional manner.. And they put a limitation on how long the widening of the Scope..

There is nothing here that the Statement of "The 4th amendment of the Bill of Rights was recently tossed out onto the garbage heap, with the full blessings and approval of the Republicans and George Bush. The government can now secretly invade your house without presenting a warrant and search it."

The 4th Amendment allows a warrant to be issued by any Authority that has the power to issue Warrents.. In case nobody realizes this, but the Judicial Branch has the Constitutional Authority to issue Warrants.. AND the Congress of the United States has the Constitutional Power to issue Warrants. So you can even have CONGRESS issue a Search and Seizure Warrent to anyone, any where in the United States for People or Property.. and according to the 4th Amendment, it does NOT have to be presented at the time of the Search.

So the Argument that the 4th amendment has been tossed into the Garbage Heap is a non-argument and is a false and uninformed and unfactual opinion.. thus it is a Non-Opinion..

NOW, if Jesse had Stated that "Ohmygod! They have extended the 45 time period of a Warrant to 90 days for the Physical search of Agents of a Foreign Power in Section 304(d)(1) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1824(d)(1))act.. AND they have changed the Extension of the Warrant to (1) one Year in Section 105(d)(2) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1805(d)(2)) "

Then I would have to agree.. In Section 207 of the Patriot Act they extended the time a search warrant is valid when our Police are investigating NON-CITIZENS of the United States and are here in our country SPYING or committing ACTS of TERRORISM AGAINST THE USA..

Yea.. my heart stops and I shudder at the thought of this vastly expanded power of our goverment..

NOT!

Also if Jesse had stated: "Ohmygod! They have changed Section 3103a of title 18, United States Code, and have allowed the Judicial Branch of the Goverment to authorize a DELAY in giving notification of a Warrant"...

Then I would have to say that, yep, I agree, they did it, they opened up the Scope of the US CODE to allow for a delay, but since the 4th Amendment of the Constitution does not even care if any notice of a warrant is given, I am not in a panic about this. As this section(213 of the Patriot Act) is under the SunSet Clause of the Patriot Act (Section 224) which returns the Scope to it's original settings on December 31, 2005.

Also if Jesse had said "Ohmygod! They have allowed a Federal magistrate judge in a jurisdiction where a terrorist act has been committed to issue a warrant allowing a search and seizure OUTSIDE that Jurisdiction because the terrorist does not happen to LIVE in the same jurisdiction..OhWhoaIsMeTheEndIsNear!"

My Reply to this is.. "So What? It makes sense and is provided for in Section 219 of the Patriot Act and is also under the Sunset Clause".

If Jesse had said "OhMyGod! They have changed Chapter 121 of title 18, United States Code, to define any Federal Court to be a "court of competent jurisdiction" for investigation of crimes against the Federal Goverment!!!"

Oh My God! I am in a true panic now.. oh, wait.. it simplifies the Investigation process.. it does clutter Jursidiction and may allow for some confusing rulings if more then one federal court rules on the same case.. ok.. I agree, this may be abit goofy.. but we shall see how it turns out.., if it does suck, it is also under the Sunset Clause of the Patriot Act. But who knows? It may make our Federal courts more effecient..

If Jesse had said "OhMyGod! They amended Section 305 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1825) and have ALLOWED Federal officers who conduct physical searches to acquire foreign intelligence information to CONSULT with OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES to investigate or protect against `(A) actual or potential attack or other grave hostile acts of a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power; `(B) sabotage or international terrorism by a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power; or `(C) clandestine intelligence activities by an intelligence service or network of a foreign power or by an agent of a foreign power.
If We allow this to happen.... The End of the world is here!!! How DARE they Allow our Federal Agencies to CONSULT with each other so our TaxDollars ARE NOT Wasted in stupid Duplication of an Investigation by Several Federal Agencies... AHHHHH!"

I would have to Reply that my Opinion is.... Whoo Hoo!! About Time they got smart and allowed for communication between different Federal Agencies.. I am just sad that this is also under the Sunset Clause of the Patriot Act.. It needs to be Permenant...

If Jesse had said "OhMyGod! They have Ordered the Director of the CIA to SHARE the foreign intelligence information collected under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq.), WITH OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES!!!! If this is allowed to happen.. My God! Then the FBI and other Agencies may know what things FOREIGN Terrorist are planning on doing inside our Country and may STOP Terrorist Attacks!!! We can't have that.. these terrorist need their PRIVACY so they can plan in SECRET to KILL/MURDER American Citizens!!!"

My Reply: Good! This is a Permenant thing and is NOT under the Sunset Clause.. This is located under Section 905 of the Patriot Act and it also has this Limitation added to Section 103(c) of the National Security Act of 1947 (50 U.S.C. 403-3(c)) a whole New Paragraph:

`(6) establish requirements and priorities for foreign intelligence information to be collected under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq.), and provide assistance to the Attorney General to ensure that information derived from electronic surveillance or physical searches under that Act is disseminated so it may be used efficiently and effectively for foreign intelligence purposes, except that the Director shall have no authority to direct, manage, or undertake electronic surveillance or physical search operations pursuant to that Act unless otherwise authorized by statute or Executive order;'.

Yea, again.. My heart stops and I shudder at the thought of all this vastly expanded power of our goverment..

All Humor Aside... These Postings by these people who are throwing out Uninformed and UnFactual Opinions are just dumb... These have nothing to do with Allowing US Citizens to Volunteer to serve their country..

One person actually posted a reply that by the President Of the United States was Advocating Socialism by asking people to Serve their country by Volunteering at least 2000 hours of their life to help their Local Communities and our Nation to Protect ourselves against these terrorist that have attacked and continue to Threaten our country. These people are just completely silly and and are simply disruptions and are people who WANT our Citizens to be UNPREPARED, UNDEFENDED, and to be SHEEP waiting to be slaughtered...

It's funny.. I when I served MY Nation in the US Air Force, I was not being a Socialist, I was Being an AMERICAN... Too Bad that poster feels that anyone who volunteer's their time in their Local Church, local and State Goverment Agencies, National Agencies are all Socialists.. I guess these people expect the Citizens of the United States to simply Sit in their Living Rooms, collect Unemployment from the US Goverment and To go to Goverment Factories to Make Goverment Products that can be distributed to the People, to go to Goverment Collective Farms to Grow Goverment Food to Be Distributed to the People..

Oh wait.. all this is Socialism and Commmunism and are not a Constitution Republic Type of Goverment.. These people can't be advocating this can they??? Hmmmmmmmmm....

[KDD]

I see the Act as less benign than you do.
The following are examples of just some of the changes in law as a result of the so-called USA PATRIOT Act. The legislation:

:minimizes judicial supervision of federal telephone and Internet surveillance by law-enforcement authorities.

:expands the ability of the government to conduct secret searches.

:gives the attorney general and the secretary of state the power to designate domestic groups as terrorist organizations and deport any noncitizen who belongs to them.

:grants the FBI broad access to sensitive business records about individuals without having to show evidence of a crime.

:leads to large-scale investigations of American citizens for "intelligence" purposes.

More specifically, Section 203 (Authority to Share Criminal Investigative Information) allows information gathered in criminal proceedings to be shared with intelligence agencies, including but not limited to the CIA — in effect, say critics, creating a political secret police. No court order is necessary for law enforcement to provide untested information gleaned from otherwise secret grand-jury proceedings, and the information is not limited to the person being investigated.

Furthermore, this section allows law enforcement to share intercepted telephone and Internet conversations with intelligence agencies. No court order is necessary to authorize the sharing of this information, and the CIA is not prohibited from giving this information to foreign-intelligence operations — in effect, say critics, creating an international political secret police.

The concern here is about the third branch of government. One of the overarching problems that pervades so many of these provisions is reduction of the role of judicial oversight. The executive branch is running roughshod over both of the other branches of government. I find it very bothersome that the government is going to have more widespread access to e-mail and Websites and that information can be shared with other law-enforcement and even intelligence agencies. So, again, we're going to have the CIA in the business of spying on Americans — something that certainly hasn't gone on since the 1970s when the illegal investigations of thousands of Americans under Operation CHAOS, and the spying carried out by the CIA and National Security Agency against U.S. activists and opponents of the war in Southeast Asia.

Nor do the invasion-of-privacy provisions of the new law end with law enforcement illegally searching homes and offices. Under Section 216 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Modification of Authorities Relating to Use of Pen Registers and Trap and Trace Devices), investigators freely can obtain access to "dialing, routing and signaling information." While the bill provides no definition of "dialing, routing and signaling information," the ACLU says this means they even would "apply law-enforcement efforts to determine what Websites a person visits." The police need only certify the information they are in search of is "relevant to an ongoing criminal investigation."

This does not meet probable-cause standards — that a crime has occurred, is occurring or will occur. Furthermore, regardless of whether a judge believes the request is without merit, the order must be given to the requesting law-enforcement agency, a veritable rubber stamp and potential carte blanche for fishing exhibitions.

Additionally, under Section 216, law enforcement now will have unbridled access to Internet communications. The contents of e-mail messages are supposed to be separated from the e-mail addresses, which presumably is what interests law enforcement. To conduct this process of separation, however, Congress is relying on the FBI to separate the content from the addresses and disregard the communications.

In other words, the presumption is that law enforcement is only interested in who is being communicated with and not what is said, which critics say is unlikely. Citing political implications they note this is the same FBI that during the Clinton administration could not adequately explain how hundreds of personal FBI files of Clinton political opponents found their way from the FBI to the Clinton White House.

And these are just a few of the provisions and problems. While critics doubt it will help in the tracking of would-be terrorists, the certainty is that homes and places of business will be searched without prior notice. And telephone and Internet communications will be recorded and shared among law-enforcement and intelligence agencies, all in the name of making America safe from terrorism.

This legislation wouldn't have made any difference in stopping the Sept. 11 attacks. I seriously believe this is a violation of our liberties. After all, a lot of this stuff in the bill has to do with finances, search warrants and arrests."

I don't like the sneak-and-peek provision because you have to ask yourself what happens if the person is home, doesn't know that law enforcement is coming to search his home, hasn't a clue as to who's coming in unannounced … and he shoots them. This law clearly authorizes illegal search and seizure, and anyone who thinks of this as antiterrorism needs to consider its application to every American citizen.

The rationale for the Fourth Amendment protection always has been to provide the person targeted for search with the opportunity to point out irregularities in the warrant, such as the fact that the police may be at the wrong address or that the warrant is limited to a search of a stolen car, so the police have no authority to be looking into dresser drawers. Likely bad scenarios involving the midnight knock at the door are not hard to imagine.

The Fourth Amendment states: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated; and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

I guess we'll just have to disagree.

[CobaltBlue]

>>The rationale for the Fourth Amendment protection always has been to provide the person targeted for search with the opportunity to point out irregularities in the warrant, such as the fact that the police may be at the wrong address or that the warrant is limited to a search of a stolen car, so the police have no authority to be looking into dresser drawers. Likely bad scenarios involving the midnight knock at the door are not hard to imagine.<<

Right, and the proper place to challenge that is in a court of law. And if you are right, then you win.

The police have no reason to try to obtain evidence that is going to be suppressed or excluded because it was improperly obtained. Oh, I suppose that some people believe that police just love breaking into innocent people's houses just to harass them, but my own personal belief is that they are almost always well intentioned, although they do make mistakes.

Feel free to disagree.

The PATRIOT act does allow law enforcement more latitude than it had before, but the reason is protecting US citizens from terrorist cells already in place, ready, willing, and able to kill as many of us as possible. When balanced against that, I think it's reasonable.

If law enforcement does abuse its power, then I have faith in the judicial system and the legislative system that they will change the laws.

[CobaltBlue]

The ones that really get me are the ones who say, "I pay a lot of taxes so why should I do anything more for anyone but sit on my sofa and enjoy myself?"

Most of us do pay a lot of taxes, but most of that goes to government bureaucracies, not the people that need help the most. I agree with you that volunteering is necessary, not because any law makes it so, not because any government agency says so, but because it is essential for a functional society to provide for those who are in need. We were all born naked and helpless, and most of us will live to be aged and infirm. In the meantime, people need to be taught the skills to live, and yes, some will need a safety net. It shouldn't be all be put onto government. Some don't have families who are able to help. Making your society a better place is a very selfish act, because you benefit, too.

If someone doesn't want to volunteer, fine, but don't whine about the ones who do.

Maybe they just have guilty consciences.

[WindMinstrel]

Did you catch Bush's State of the Union Address?
,br> My call tonight is for every American to commit at least two years - 4,000 hours over the rest of your lifetime - to the service of your neighbors and your nation.

Sorry folks, anyone who would ask such a thing is a socialist, pure and simple

Don't get me wrong -- I hate the idea of a publically-funded volunteer corps. The very idea is sickening and certainly smacks of socialism. However, I would proffer that the phrase you quoted does not denote that. I see nothing wrong in the president calling for anything -- that is, using the "bully pulpit" to encourage people to behave one way or another. There's nothing immoral in that.

There is, of course, a hell of a lot immoral about using my money to pay people to "volunteer".

[Semper]

Your responce to "What is the solution" :

The people need to be made aware that 1) it is ILLEGAL to violate the Constitution and 2) They are being robbed blind by willfull corruption of the politicians who create the laws that allow the elites to steal the money.

How are enough people made aware when the democrat dominated media has indoctrinated those pitifully few who pay attention to accept the present situation without alarm?

[snopercod]

I see nothing wrong in the president calling for anything

I don't either, as long as what he was calling for was within his jurisdiction.

And surely you must realize that when a president "calls" for something, legislation follows just as the night follows the day.

We have a liberal democrat senate and a spineless republican congress, both willing to expand government power, given any opportunity.

Bush just gave them one.

[WindMinstrel]

And surely you must realize that when a president "calls" for something, legislation follows just as the night follows the day.

Aye, there's the rub. That needs to change. We only need one more law in our society -- that being that anyone who says, "There ought to be a law..." be immediately defenestrated.

[unamused]

The Emperor has no clothes....

[TLBSHOW]

He dosen't? Hummmm....What are you talking about?