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Muslim Woman Sues over Drivers License [FL: Show your face on driver license photo; FL Woman: No]
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | Jan. 30, 2002 | P. Gutierrez and A. Rippel

Posted on 01/29/2002 11:01:29 PM PST by summer

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To: bwteim

Is this the ACTUAL PICTURE of the DL? Because if they are claiming it is, it IS NOT. The picture does not appear to be real. I have a FL driver's licence, and my picture is underneath the "Class E" part, but if you were looking at it you would not have to turn it to see the person's picture. It would be FACING you. Also....there is no "state" there right in the middle of your face. There is a irridescent one, but it would start right next to the "a" in Florida, not in the middle of your face.

321 posted on 01/30/2002 9:52:17 AM PST by DJ88
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To: DJ88;jgrubbs
I don't know if it is real pic. Check on link from JGrubbs:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/618460/posts?page=198#198

a few pages back for full picture.

322 posted on 01/30/2002 10:05:46 AM PST by bwteim
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To: summer
Driving is a privilege, not a right....go by the rules or don't drive, your choice...and hers..:)
323 posted on 01/30/2002 10:32:44 AM PST by JD86
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To: summer
I am genuinely interested in why you think she should not give a mug shot if arrested, or a passport photo for an American passport.

It may be an unfair burden to arrest her for violating "man's law" when she declares she only be tried in "Islamic courts" under "Islamic law".

324 posted on 01/30/2002 11:26:01 AM PST by weegee
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To: JD86
Summer, see reply number 305. The only reason everyone is convinced that conducting oneself on the public roads using one's private property is a privelege instead of a right is because we've been systematically duped over the decades by governments who reap billions of dollars in licensing revenues from this deception.

Did George Washington need to get a riders' license and a set of tags for his horse's rump in order to conduct himself on the public roads using his private property (his horse)? Nope. What has changed since then? Certainly not the Constitution in this regard.

325 posted on 01/30/2002 11:31:50 AM PST by mvpel
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To: mvpel
I don't write the laws, only report on them...:)
326 posted on 01/30/2002 11:45:33 AM PST by JD86
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To: UberVernunft
"Church of the Lukumi Babalu"

If you say "Hey," followed by the above highlighted passage aloud, you get, "Hey, look a' me, Babaloo!"

Was that grim lot somehow inspired by that all time great tune, "Bobaloo's Wedding Day"?

327 posted on 01/30/2002 11:46:53 AM PST by Don Joe
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To: VA Advogado
"Good God, what part of FULL FACE is vague?"

The words, obviously. :)

Straining at gnats...

328 posted on 01/30/2002 11:50:11 AM PST by Don Joe
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To: NYCVirago
Not just a troll, a banned troll back with a new name.
329 posted on 01/30/2002 11:51:49 AM PST by weegee
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To: Chemist_Geek
"Point of information: 'letting this woman go around veiled' is not the issue. The issue is her refusal to abide by Florida's statutory requirements for issuance of a driver's license.

"The argument that wearing that full veil is a religious requirement is fallacious; many Islamic women wear a headscarf which only exposes from the eyebrows to the chin. That would be most likely be suitable for both Florida law and Islamic belief."

Bingo. If this flies, the next step could easily be a requirement that they wear gloves, and theaten lawsuits if any "infidel" demands that they remove them for fingerprinting when applying for security clearance, when arrested, and so forth.

There's got to be a reason (or a slew of reasons) that they're striving so hard to set a precedent with this.

330 posted on 01/30/2002 11:52:23 AM PST by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
Could be, I know the song you're talking about and that certainly what it sounds like.
331 posted on 01/30/2002 11:54:13 AM PST by weegee
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To: Dukie
"Will you express similar sentiments when IDs with biometric data or perhaps DNA samples become the next mndate for the sake of 'security'."

One sign of maturity is the ability to set reasonable boundaries, and think in other than completely black and white terms.

I see nothing wrong with biometrics such as thumbprints or retinal scans for drivers licenses. I'd draw the line there, because that's entirely sufficient for the DL requirements, i.e., verifying that the bearer is in fact the licensee. DNA profiles on the other hand are way over the top, akin perhaps to instituting the death penalty for jaywalking, cooking chicken wings with a blast furnace, and killing mosquitoes with H-bombs.

When we demand an all-or-nothing response, we're apt to get nothing. IOW, if we insist that no readily defeated ID method be included in a DL, the only thing we accomplish is to discount ourselves out of the equation. Thus, those who want to go to the extreme in the other direction will get what they want without "objection". Say goodbye to thumbprint, say hello to encoded inner-cheek swab DNA sequence.

332 posted on 01/30/2002 12:02:16 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Chemist_Geek
"Whoa. I felt the wholesale price of aluminum just go WAY up."

When I see stuff like that, I'm reminded of Lou Costello's famous blackboard skit, where he uses a few square feet of chalk marks to prove that 2 + 2 = 22.

333 posted on 01/30/2002 12:04:56 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: WindRiverShoshoni
"I hardly think the Florida courts are going to give her something that the laws don't."

That depends on whether or not she's bright enough to change her "Islamic" last name to "al Gore", doesn't it?

334 posted on 01/30/2002 12:06:57 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: summer
"possport? = passport"

Jab a hyphen between the two esses and you'll have a reasonable approximation of how they view our laws.

335 posted on 01/30/2002 12:11:59 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: JD86;GussiedUp;all
That's no muslim, that's Martha McSally testing a Florida law. The eyes gave her up.
336 posted on 01/30/2002 12:12:16 PM PST by duck soup
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To: summer
I think just about any police officer or DMV will tell you that a drivers license is a priviledge, not a right. If she doesn't want to show her face then no drivers license. It's easy - she doesn't have to show her face and the state doesn't have to take her picture!

Oh, but I forgot this is about imposing one's beliefs on the government and forcing everyone to sacrifice their rights to have safe driving regulations enforced. It's all about me!!! (whine, whine)

337 posted on 01/30/2002 12:14:04 PM PST by EugeneConservative
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To: Sugar and Spice
Methinks whoever mixed you put in a little more of one than the other, n'est-ce pas? ;)
338 posted on 01/30/2002 12:17:13 PM PST by Pistias
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To: He Rides A White Horse
"In my home state, driving is considered a privilege, not a right.

"I imagine most others are like that. Your license can be revoked or not granted if you refuse to meet the requirements."

It's actually somewhere between the two. If it was truly a privilege, it could be revoked for any or no reason, and if it was an absolute right, it could not be revoked for any reason.

As it stands, you have a "right" to drive so long as you do so in compliance with the law, which applies equally to any and all. The DL issuing agency can't deny you that "right" on any basis other than failure to adhere to the law. They can't say "sorry, we don't like your kind, go away," for example.

339 posted on 01/30/2002 12:18:07 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: summer
he wants the state to train employees about Muslim needs

Muslim needs = every human's needs = food, shelter, clothing (depending where you live)... etc.

Since when is a driver's license a need? Since when is covering your face for an ID photo a "need"? Whiny worse-than-useless bastards.

340 posted on 01/30/2002 12:19:55 PM PST by Argh
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