Facing The Truth About Homosexual Behavior

Traditional Values Coalition ^ | January 29, 2002 | Rev. Louis P. Sheldon

[justshutupandtakeit]

Guess you still don't have a clue. I am not surprised. Perhaps someday you will become enlightened spritually and get one. Then I will be surprised.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Of course, it would help for you to understand the meanings of words since you repeatedly lie about what terms mean. Then create a worldview based upon the lies.

Can you come up with some new stupid remarks? Your old ones no longer are humorous.

[OWK]

Guess you still don't have a clue. I am not surprised. Perhaps someday you will become enlightened spritually and get one. Then I will be surprised.

So all who are spiritually enlightened, come to understand the need for compulsory funded public education?

[OWK]

Of course, it would help for you to understand the meanings of words since you repeatedly lie about what terms mean.

Uhhh.... yeah, that must be it.

[tpaine]

Apparently you haven't met enough people. Very few of the leaders in science or any other field come from one room schoolhouses this century.

Yep. - My view is invalid because I don't know the elite. How droll.

Even small towns in Arkansas had high schools such as the one where I received an excellent education. BECAUSE I WANTED ONE.

Personal self puffery does nothing to prove your point.

There are many outstanding people educated by the public schools throughout our nation's history. Most of the attackers of public schools simply don't know what they are talking about. Millions of children are educated every year successfully by them. Could they be better? Sure. We should strive to make them better not wholesale lies and misconceptions about them. Or pretend there is a private alternative for the masses. There isn't.

I'm neither pretending, nor lying about them.
You, on the other hand, seem very stressed. Why is a privatized school system so threatening to you? --- Weird reaction.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Not necessarily. However, there is a certain enlightenment necessary to understand things not based on selfishness and self-centeredness or the belief that one is just a collection of atoms which randomly whirls away upon death. Public schools are not much in dispute except among the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe and their haters generally are not enlightened spiritually or otherwise.

You apparently believe that a literate population is a BAD thing.

[OWK]

Public schools are not much in dispute except among the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe and their haters generally are not enlightened spiritually or otherwise.

Anyone who opposes public schools because the concept is immoral, is an unenlightened lunatic?

[OWK]

You apparently believe that a literate population is a BAD thing.

No, I believe that it is immoral for one segment of the population to rob another, to promote it's ideas.

I generally favor literacy.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Who said anything about the elite? Your statement inplied a background so retarded that it is hard to believe you ever met anyone who even had an education. One room schoolhouses, come on they don't exist except in very, very, small isolated communities in this century and are not only not a factor but rarely did a good job when they were in existence. Places where the schools are one room schoolhouses are the same places the kids are desperately fleeing because there is no opportunity to develop one self or find decent paying jobs. Places like this are dying all across the Midwest and one of the biggest reasons is their labor forces don't have enough education to interest modern industry which demands an educated workforce. But keep on praising the poor educational systems.

Saying that I received an excellent high school education is "personal puffery"? This clearly indicates that you haven't met enough people if you think that is bragging. Some of us out there even have a college education and Masters Degrees. Imagine that.

Private schooling is no threat to me as I indicated my youngest son goes to one. So that is a stupid comment.

Unrealistic ideas are a threat to me, however, and the idea that private schooling is viable for the masses is totally unrealistic. Generally those holding such ideas are precisely those without much formal education.

[justshutupandtakeit]

As I said before your definitions are screwed up.

Why do you think literacy was so limited before the institution of public schooling? And higher education even more limited?

[justshutupandtakeit]

Anyone who believes public schooling is immoral (as a concept) is a screwball and probably a lunatic as well. Certainly not one who thinks very deeply. But they also believe government is immoral, taxes are immoral etc.

You call things immoral but can have no accurate concept of morality since you don't believe in God. Without belief in God all things are possible since none can be condemned as wrong (evil).

What could you swear to if called to testify in court not "so help me God." How could one protect rights without swearing on a higher power? Man as the measure of all things is folly as shown by the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution and the Nazi revolution. Man acting to create justice based on God's laws and calling on God's help produces great things as shown by the American Revolution.

[MadameAxe]

You apparently believe that a literate population is a BAD thing

Is that really what you think comes from public schools--a literate population? Maybe back in the 60s. Barely in the 70s. But now?

Why do you assume that parents wouldn't want their kids to be literate, if there were no public schools?

[Don Myers]

"Exceptionally silly response. Congratulations."

If so, I have seen far worse posts from you.

[OWK]

Wow!... that's tellin me.

[gjenkins]

"Anyone who believes public schooling is immoral (as a concept) is a screwball and probably a lunatic as well."

Education as a concept is supremely moral. Public (group defined) education is immoral because it removes individual motivation, understanding, and responsibility for the educator and the educated.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I do not assume anything of the sort.

However, I am aware that the growth of literacy is tied totally to the public education movement. And I am not silly enough to believe that most people can pay the costs of private education. When it is a burden for me with an income in the upper 20% how could it be expected that a family with household income less than the median could afford a private education? Those uneducated kids become a burden on society and lower the productivity of the entire society. This is nothing something which would affect just the uneducated individuals. Just as someone running around with the plague don't just affect themselves. There are social consequences of individual choices.

When someone educates themselves s/he also helps society as a whole.

[freefly]

"Anyone who believes public schooling is immoral (as a concept) is a screwball and probably a lunatic as well."

Anyone that thinks it is ok for the government to hold me up at gunpoint to pay for public schooling is a socialist.
It's hard to get much more immoral (and gutless) than that.

[veryconernedamerican]

homosexuality is a deviant behavour not to be condoned. it serves no purpose to humanity and goes against the law of nature.

[ThinkDifferent]

Tell me, if socialism in education is such a great idea, what other areas should it be applied to? Food is even more of a necessity than education, perhaps the government should take over all food production. Transportation is pretty important too; should the government be manufacturing cars and giving them away?

I'm reminded of a debate I read between advocates of public and private schools. The public school advocate made the standard argument that education is too important to be left to the free market. His opponent countered that given government's track record of wastefulness and inefficiency, education is too important *not* to be provided by the free market.

[justshutupandtakeit]

That must be why it worked so well for almost 200 yrs in some parts of the country.

Now that we have allowed the leftists to take it over and ruin parts of it we start to condemn what was formerly good (and still is in many areas.)

Rather than fight to take it back the haters of government propose unworkable alternatives or run away.