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Fathers Play Big Role in Abortion Decision, Experts Say
CNS News ^ | 1/21/02 | Christine Hall

Posted on 01/21/2002 11:26:40 AM PST by truthandlife

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To: spectre
It has been my personal experience not to bring religion or God into the debate of abortion. Not everyone believes in the same philosophy another does. Best to leave your personal opinions of what God and God does not like out of it.

Now, hopefully one day everyone will realize that killing babies is just wrong..plain and simple. Wrong. And should not be done.

61 posted on 01/22/2002 4:15:37 PM PST by 94Revolution
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To: 94Revolution
Well, you are most probably right about leaving God out of the argument. Those who regularly abort babies don't believe in him anyway, for the most part.

As a side note, I know a few women who had abortions at a very young age, and let me tell you, they are so sorry it happened. Bringing God back into it, I have to say he is a forgiving God. Sorry to bring up the God thingie again :~)

sw

62 posted on 01/22/2002 4:24:34 PM PST by spectre
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
Thought you might like this one, Will:


63 posted on 01/23/2002 7:52:05 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: proud2bRC
Thank you sir. Dragged and dropped into the "Images" file of this here I-Mac. How goes the Ex-Com Crusade?

That would be the Crusade known as "Bye-Bye Teddy, Bye-Bye..."

64 posted on 01/24/2002 1:14:47 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: anniegetyourgun;harrison bergeron;wwjdn;ms. antifeminazi;GoodieD
They'll have to put a value on their seed...

Agreed. And society must endorse said value. Enshrine in immutable law every good man's right to protect his pre-born baby, from conception forward. Will you do that, yes or no?

If yes, we can agree on everything else.

If you won't sign on to the legal endorsement of a father's right to protect his very own sons and daughters, then there is nothing else.

So which is it?

65 posted on 01/24/2002 1:20:30 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
I have no problem with the point you make. It wasn't however, my point. But I can understand why it's easier to discuss rights after the fact.
66 posted on 01/24/2002 4:25:50 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: InvisibleChurch
What a great point!!! Plus, I thought it isn't a baby anyway, so what is he the father of exactly? As I have said elsewhere on this site, the Truth has a way of seeping out no matter what, doesn't it? Great screen name, btw. God Bless.

---the Queen---

67 posted on 01/24/2002 8:13:12 PM PST by queenofsardonia
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting;anniegetyourgun;wwjdn;L_Candide
"I advocate equality. No excuses for the women who kill kids. No excuses for the men who kill kids. And not one single drop of sympathy for women who kill, or for men who kill. My sympathy is with their victims only." How about sympathy for the women who kill kids, then repent? No? Well only SOLIDARITY then. Yes? Thanks, but I got my forgiveness when Jesus died on the cross, so SOLIDARITY it is!!

Hi, wwjdn. And hello again to you, too L_Candide.

I am pretty new around here, so I don't know if it is bad form to suggest visiting another thread. If it is not, please take a look at the one wwjdn started earlier this week. It is called "Abortion's biggest LIE!!" I know it is bad form not to include the link, but, like I said, newbie who hasn't taken the time to learn how. Maybe wwjdn would be so kind as to do that for you in another post. I think it is relevant to the topic at hand, and has the bonus of involving some of the same people.

But even if you don't go it must be said. Women, and women alone, choose to kill their children. Abortion is one of Satan's greatest tools. He has reaped millions and millions of souls because of it. IT MUST END.

May the Lord's Grace and Peace be with you.

---the Queen---

68 posted on 01/24/2002 8:43:42 PM PST by queenofsardonia
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To: 94Revolution
Couldn't have said it better myself!! And I used to be one of those modern women. Jesus saves, and you don't even have to ask, He's done it for us ALL already.

The Lord's Grace and Blessing to you all

---the Queen---

69 posted on 01/24/2002 8:49:43 PM PST by queenofsardonia
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To: wwjdn
I wonder how that will wash out with the new AMA definition of when life begins? We have to find a way to stop the madness. 37 posted by wwjdn U, I missed that 'new' definition. Could you share it with me? Just what has the learned body decided?
70 posted on 01/24/2002 8:58:16 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting, queenofsardonia
Terrific thread, good arguments as usual. Thanks for pinging me in; the baby-killers arguments seem a lot weaker lately....;-D

Queenie, welcome! ;-D

71 posted on 01/24/2002 9:07:04 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Diddle E. Squat;Judith Anne;Dr. Good Will Hunting;anniegetyourgun;wwjdn;patriot31u;L_Candide
"Here Eve, eat this apple."

Hey, that's a good one. Now try this one: "No" or this one: "Hey, honey, that's not such good fruit for us. Didn't God tell us not to eat that? Let's go pick some berries"

Proverbs 5: My son, pay attention to my wisdom,
listen well to my words of insight,
that you may maintain discretion and your lips may preserve knowledge.
For the lips of an adulteress drip honey, and her speech is smoother than oil;
but in the end she is bitter as gall, sharp as a double-edged sword.
Her feet go down to death; her steps lead straight to the grave.
She gives no thought to the way of life;her paths are crooked, but she knows it not.

Mark 8:38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels.

Revelation 18: With a mighty voice he shouted:
"Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!
She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries...

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Matthew 7:3 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

To sum up:

adultery=sin=judgement and death

murder=sin=judgement and death

but, Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay the debt for our sins-- so that

adultery=sin(+Jesus)(-judgement and death)=forgiveness+eternal life

murder=sin(+Jesus)(-judgement and death)=forgiveness+eternal life.

Hey you've got something--there--right there--in your eye.

OUCH,

oh, oh cr@#,

I've got one in mine too.

Jesus loves you and He died for your sins and mine.---the Queen---

72 posted on 01/24/2002 11:30:06 PM PST by queenofsardonia
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To: truthandlife
Thanks excellent points, yes the father has a large role, provided the woman lets him in on the decisions.
73 posted on 01/25/2002 3:36:12 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: queenofsardonia
Excellent verses, thanks. Sorry I haven't posted much I have been fending off the homosexual militants who were hounding at my door.
74 posted on 01/25/2002 3:37:55 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: queenofsardonia
Isn't it sweet knowing that Jesus loves us? Oh yes!
75 posted on 01/25/2002 3:39:39 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: queenofsardonia
Women, and women alone, choose to kill their children.

Tell me again how women get pregnant without the aid of a man? Men hold it in their power to virtually eradicate abortion. It's called self-control.

76 posted on 01/25/2002 5:30:33 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Proverbs 5: My son, pay attention to my wisdom, listen well to my words of insight,
that you may maintain discretion and your lips may preserve knowledge.
For the lips of an adulteress drip honey, and her speech is smoother than oil;
but in the end she is bitter as gall, sharp as a double-edged sword.
Her feet go down to death; her steps lead straight to the grave.
She gives no thought to the way of life;her paths are crooked, but she knows it not

anniegetyourgun, this verse is addressed to men. It says to them, have self control or you will surely die. I agree with you--obviously it takes one man and one woman to get pregnant. It takes one woman to decide to kill a child. Then it takes a whole team of people to do it. The point is that there is so much sin involved in abortion. Not just the sins of murder and adultery, though those are the most obvious. Satan is sowing dissent between men and women, and we are helping by trying to blame each other. Scripture says all sin is equally abominiable in God's eyes. No one is blameless. Matthew 7:3 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? Rather than sitting around arguing whether it is the man's fault or the woman's fault, let's all repent and rejoice in the Gift of Eternal Life purchased for us through Christ's sacrifice on the cross. He paid for the sins of ALL of us.

The Lord's Grace and Peace to you.

---the Queen---

77 posted on 01/25/2002 6:42:51 AM PST by queenofsardonia
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To: truthandlife
Artificial contraception has a large part to play in this.
78 posted on 01/25/2002 6:48:17 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
Artificial contraception has a large part to play in this.

That is why Planned Parenthood pushes safe sex with condoms so much. First of all it gives them cover for their abortion racket and second of all Planned Parenthood knows if they can just get people to have sex with condoms they know that many of the condoms will either break or not be used properly resulting in pregnancy and resulting in a chance to have an $$$abortion$$$.

79 posted on 01/25/2002 7:16:48 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: queenofsardonia
You too miss my point - it's not about fault and it's not about rights. It's about who will be held more accountable before God and who holds the key to the child - it is the seed of the man. Are women dumb, evil, and complicit - sure. But without his FIRST decision to fornicate - there is no abortion.
80 posted on 01/25/2002 7:32:31 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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