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THE USA PATRIOT ACT AND THE TWILIGHT OF THE REPUBLIC (Pravda)
Pravda.ru ^ | 1/14/02 | Al Martin (USN, Lt. Cmdr. RET)

Posted on 01/15/2002 12:42:47 PM PST by Askel5

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To: Askel5
bttt
41 posted on 01/15/2002 8:32:44 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: GROUCHOTWO
The gangsters are barking and the caravan moves on.
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43 posted on 01/15/2002 8:50:08 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: SickOfItAll
God I hope not, I just hope the press hammers on this cr#p!
44 posted on 01/15/2002 8:59:50 PM PST by horsewhispersc
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To: ron_paul_fan
...the United States has out-sovieted the former Soviet Union.

When I went to San Jose airport to pick up my mom, they searched every car which entered the parking garage. NO warrants, no probable cause, nothing. When I asked a SJ cop about the practice (I'm a Texan), he said that he is required to search the cars for guns, drugs or other terrorist paraphanalia. I asked if he had seen the Clint Eastwood film "Firefox," where it depicted the USSR with its "your papers please..." and the checkpoints where cars were searched by the secret police. He said he had, and I replied "It's time for the Russians to make fun of us." He agreed.

45 posted on 01/15/2002 9:12:32 PM PST by Orion
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To: Askel5
bttt.
46 posted on 01/15/2002 9:38:48 PM PST by KDD
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To: Askel5
When this act was passed in October, one of two things (or perhaps a combination of both) happened: Our legislators were afflicted with the 'get on the post-9/11 patriotic bandwagon' syndrome (so much so that they probably didn't even bother to read the 300-plus-page abomination in its entirety before affixing their blessing to it), or our legislators found themselves rubbing their hands together at the thought of being able to use 9/11 as an excuse to usurp more of their constituents' Constitutional liberties than have ever been usurped in the history of our country (with the possible exception of the passage of the Alien and Sedition Acts....I guess those of us with a predisposition to look for a silver lining ought to be grateful that such legislation only seems to come along every two hundred years....).

The realist votes for #2.

The main effect that this monstrosity of legislation will have is that it will not only give the government the authority to surveille its citizens in a myriad of ways (all unconstitional), without a warrant or provable just cause, but it will also have us all serving as snitches against one another, under penalty of law if we don't. It's called government by intimidation.

And the requirements of both big- and small-business are Orwellian. The mandatory reporting of 'suspicious transactions' (now there's a definition that's about as clear as swamp water) represents a giant Big-Brother step that goes far beyond even the Bank Secrecy Act.

This representative republic, existing under this Constitution, cannot allow its citizens to be required to submit to unconstitutional surveillance by its government. Nor can it allow its businesses to be required to report transactions to the government, in effect opening their books in order to gain government 'approval.'

Congresses, and Presidents, have been passing unconstitutional legislation for decades, but this piece of legislation not only circumvents the Constitution, it declares it irrelevant. And the American people are either to ignorant to realize that the foundation of their republic is being buried without ceremony, or they are too apathetic to care. (My guess is 75% - 20%, with the other 5% of us left shaking our heads in disbelief).

Patriotism has officially been redefined to be submission to the 'legalized' government confiscation of wealth and usurpation of individual liberty.

There's more than one kind of terrorism....

47 posted on 01/15/2002 9:44:12 PM PST by joanie-f
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To: cdwright
Well ... if you're going to dismiss "whatever Pravda's printed" because it must be (former?) commie propaganda, then, INDEED ... that old black magic's still working!!

Don't you get it?

49 posted on 01/16/2002 7:04:42 AM PST by Askel5
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To: CommiesOut
And one of those Russian gangsters, Vladi Gusinsky, is now comfortably snuggled into his Greenwich, Conn. home.

What sort of Patriot Act do we have that encourages the searching of old ladies at airports but permits the gangster Gusinsky into this country?

52 posted on 01/16/2002 10:16:28 AM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: Askel5
The 'Pravda' hurts bump. ;^)

But this is not 'Isvestia'. ;^)

Little Russian jokes.

53 posted on 01/16/2002 11:46:45 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: joanie-f
Patriotism has officially been redefined to be submission to the 'legalized' government confiscation of wealth and usurpation of individual liberty.

I still can't figure out, then, what Mrs. Cheney's problem was with the academics she thought weren't "patriotic ENOUGH".

Thanks, joanie-f. Always a pleasure to read you. Regards.

54 posted on 01/16/2002 3:02:03 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Pocat
FYI, in case you haven't seen this one...

Wasichu

55 posted on 01/18/2002 4:16:01 PM PST by Wasichu
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To: Wasichu
Thanks.
56 posted on 01/19/2002 9:32:37 AM PST by pocat
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To: Black Jade
I hope MY implant doesn't make me look 'punk'.

Maybe they'll be accessorized with little symbolic cover plates.

I'll go with 'Miss Liberty' maybe, or that coiled rattlesnake thingy. (sarcasm off)

58 posted on 01/19/2002 2:22:28 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Perhaps Mr. Martin has never heard of the war on drugs. If the cops even SUSPECT your property or money was linked to illegal drugs, they can seize every last cent, not charge you with anything, and force YOU to sue to get it back.

And you have a problem with that? Freedom has a price you know.

/sarcasm

59 posted on 01/19/2002 2:25:44 PM PST by Eagle Eye
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To: Black Jade
Larry Ellison who heads Oracle hired snoops to rifle through Bill Gate's trash cans. Ethical?
60 posted on 01/19/2002 2:51:21 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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