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Kandahar comes out of the closet
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 01/12/2002 | TIM REID

Posted on 01/11/2002 3:41:19 PM PST by Pokey78

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To: maica,freee-dame
The article at #22 is very important to understanding islamic psychosis.

This may have been Atta as a teenager. Atta was though to have a "special friend" in San Diego who took another flight.

41 posted on 01/11/2002 10:13:21 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Ciexyz
I don't think that this is what Omar Kyam was talking about.
42 posted on 01/11/2002 10:14:24 PM PST by Dan Cooper
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To: JeepInMazar
No wonder Bibles are forbidden and islamic apostacy is a capitol crime: these sickos cannot bear to see the light of truth shined on their depravity and cruelty.
43 posted on 01/11/2002 10:15:28 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: JeepInMazar
You people don't get it do you

This is a way of life with the people in that part of the world. I want to say mus***ms but it is mostly arabs but not contained only to arab states. They think that having sex with a women is a sin before marrage but packing fudge is not a sin so they go this route until they take a bride.

I know many military people who have many stories from the Turks, Saudis, Egypt etc..

They offer a years pay to be the fudge packer to our boys in uniform and thankfully everyone I know threatened to kick their ass instead!

I bet you won't see this in the American Press anytime soon !

44 posted on 01/11/2002 10:19:09 PM PST by america-rules
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To: dennisw
Thanks for #22. I had it bookmarked but lost it. It really is a telling piece.
45 posted on 01/11/2002 10:31:38 PM PST by Delta 21
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To: Pokey78
In keeping with recent developments in Afghanistan, a proposal was recently made at the UN to rename the country Assfagistan. Inhabitants of the city of San Francisco will be eligible for dual citizenship. Or so I heard.
46 posted on 01/11/2002 10:40:00 PM PST by semaj
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To: semaj
Charter flights are being arranged from San Fran as we type I am sure.
47 posted on 01/11/2002 10:44:11 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: dennisw; Savage Beast; Prodigal Daughter
Repressed Homosexuality
48 posted on 01/11/2002 10:55:41 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: longleaf
The bombing was about the WTC attack, and the striking of the Pentagon, and the crash of the plane in a Pennsylvania field, and the other plane from which the 'gentlemen' on the way to Texas were going to take down, and the aircraft from the Phillippines which were going to be brought down, and for the USS Cole, the US embassies, the planned bombing of the Hague and NATO headquarters, and the planned attacks on the US fleet at various locations worldwide. We're in the Phillippines right now working with the gov there to neutralize some muslim terrorists there, and that is hardly about oil. There is a huge list of terrorist hits we have taken for years, and each time we ignored them or half-arsed them, the attacks and assasinations and attempts at hitting US citizens and interests increased. When we responded, they decreased. The simple fact is, there is no way to ignore such an attack as 9/11 , and no need for an excuse such as 'oil.' Thousands of people have died, and not all of them on 9/11. Going after terrorists has been long overdue.

Iraq was about oil, trade and simple common sense. The strikes on Afghanistan are not about oil, or trade, or commerce, or any other thing than terrorism, and would take place even if al-Qeada had holed up in Antarctica or Cuba, without oil even in the picture.

The idea that is was 'about oil' is as absurd as saying it was all about goat-herding. Virtually 100% of the countries the US has bombed in the last 30 years were populated by goat-herders. Many countries on the planet have oil or natural gas, and even more have areas suitable for pipelines, or refining, or seaways through which the stuff flows. Any time we deal with ANY country someone can point to all kinds of 'evidence' that oil could be 'the reason,' and there are always our friends from the former eastern block who love to post about 'oil,' as if it was the only industry on the friggin' planet, as if getting attacked wasn't sufficient reason to respond. The presence of oil doesn't always have great importance in the scheme of things. Sometimes it has no importance at all. Sometimes enemies simply need to be blown up.

49 posted on 01/11/2002 11:09:06 PM PST by piasa
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To: 2sheep



http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,7-2001344218,00.html




FRIDAY OCTOBER 05 2001

Repressed homosexuality?
Michael Griffin The Taleban
Seven years after the Taleban movement was founded, the features of its leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, are unknown outside Kandahar, where he lived with his wife and children until the events of September 11. He has been described as about 44 years old and “unusually tall” for an Afghan; alternatively “heavy-set” or “distinguished”. His right eye is stitched shut, the result of an encounter with Soviet soldiers when he was a Mujahidin commander with the Harakat-I Inqilab-I-Islami Party. The left eye, his few visitors allow, has a “hawk-like, unrelenting” gaze.

He assiduously cultivates this air of enigma in a refusal to be photographed, and by delegating all but the most crucial encounters with non-Afghans to colleagues or underlings. He has visited Kabul once since the Taleban captured it five years ago. What scant media access the Mullah permits tends to reinforce his image as a sphinx-like visitor from another plane of being.

The atmosphere in his immediate court, by contrast, is relaxed and informal. Commanders come and go, dipping their fingers into the communal cooking pot and contributing at liberty to whatever discussion is going on. The Mullah keeps a strongbox by his side, handing out expenses as and when required. This is expected under the Pashtun tribal code, known as pashtunwali, in which relations between men are seldom hierarchical.

Muhammad Omar’s first explanation of the Taleban’s mission was that it had arisen to restore peace, to provide security to the wayfarer and to protect the honour of women and the poor. But the rise of the mullah under the Taleban proved to be less a return to the elusive values cherished in pre-communist times than the stupefying of a spiritual tradition that once traced its origins back to the footsteps of the Prophet.

The sayed, the pir and the alim, Afghanistan’s spiritual aristocracy, comprised a legacy that combined “High Church” trends in Islamic thought with a popular belief in spirit possession and anchored them in the everyday life of the village. The Taleban buried them all and the mullah, a cross between a country parson and a Shakespearean clown, recited the funeral rites.

The young taleb, or religious students, who rallied to the cause were the product of the Deoband school of Sunni thought, founded 130 years earlier in Uttar Pradesh, India. The Deobandis represent the extreme of attempts to regulate the personal behaviour of their pupils, having issued nearly a quarter of a million fatwa on the minutiae of everyday life since the beginning of the 20th century.

Boys enter the system as wards, exchanging life in a poor family for bed, board and an austere catechism that will one day lead to life as a mullah. It is tempting to identify in this early separation from female relatives the origins of the extreme misogyny that, even more than the objective of a pure Islamic state, lent cohesion to the Taleban as they marched into and subdued non-Pashtun lands.

But Taleban misogyny went so far beyond what is normally intended by the word that it qualified as a kind of “gynaeophobia” so broad that a glimpse of stockinged foot or varnished nail was taken as a seductive invitation to personal damnation.

Women had to be covered, closeted and, where necessary, beaten to prevent more sin from being spewed into society. Part of this anxiety was sexual and could be attributed to the highly charged rules of pashtunwali under which girls embark on the perilous road to puberty at seven when they are separated from boys and men. From then until marriage, youths have no permissible contact with the opposite sex beyond the members of their own family.

In Kandahar, the custom of seclusion had given rise to a rich tradition of homosexual passion, celebrated in poetry, dance and the practice of male prostitution. Heterosexual romance, by contrast, was freighted with the fear of broken honour, the threat of vendetta and, ultimately, death by stoning. In Pashtun society, man-woman love was the one that dared not speak its name: boy courtesans conducted their affairs openly.

The taleb grew to maturity on the gruel of orthodoxy, estranged from the mitigating influence of women, family and village. This made early recruits to the movement disciplined and biddable. If their gynaeophobia appeared the product of a repressed homosexuality on the march, Taleban cohorts also conjured up echoes of a medieval children’s crusade, with its associated elements of self-flagellation and an innocent trust in the immanence of paradise.

The versatility of the Taleban elite, who alternate as military chiefs, governors and ministers, as well as mullahs, combined with the ingrained Afghan practice of adopting noms de guerre, argues in favour of the thesis that the movement merely clothed its membership in ecclesiastical titles to disguise their origins. This process of “clericalisation” similarly transformed each enemy defection into a Damascene conversion, just as the enforcement of Sharia-based edicts in non-Pashtun regions added a patina of religion to what was essentially the imposition of martial law.

It also veiled a coat rack of skeletons. “Mullah” Muhammad Hassan, the Governor of Kandahar, had nothing to do with the religious world before his emergence as the Taleban’s number three, while “Mullah” Borjan, the movement’s Rommel until his death in 1996, was a former Afghan army officer who had served under King Zahir Shah. Other military figures were in the Afghan Army until 1992, making a mockery of Mullah Muhammad Omar’s claim that his goal was to rid Afghanistan of “time-serving communists”.

 

 

 

Michael Griffin is the author of Reaping the Whirlwind: The Taliban Movement in Afghanistan, Pluto Press (www.plutobooks.com).


50 posted on 01/11/2002 11:21:02 PM PST by dennisw
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To: PLMerite
I said it first.
51 posted on 01/12/2002 12:59:47 AM PST by junta
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To: dennisw, Yehuda, College Repub, JMJ333, Nix2, EODGUY, veronica, monkeyshine, Ar Gee, Dakmar, grlfrnd
Justin might want to "research" the area in person. Surprised nobody has pinged him. SHUT-UP?
52 posted on 01/12/2002 1:24:46 AM PST by onyx
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To: onyx
Has SHUT UP been decided on? Verrry kewl. LOL
As for the article, it is like the last thing in the world I want to read about at this hour of the morning...or ever, for that matter.
53 posted on 01/12/2002 1:50:52 AM PST by Nix 2
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To: Nix 2
Oh, SHUT UP! LOL! ;^ )
54 posted on 01/12/2002 1:52:01 AM PST by onyx
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To: onyx
I laughed through that whole thread. It's the *RIGHT* thing to do, sez I. So everyone, just SHUT UP! And I WANT one of argee's tee shirts.
55 posted on 01/12/2002 1:57:24 AM PST by Nix 2
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To: onyx
Onyx, this article has to be bogus. glaad and the other perverted organizations tell us that homosexual conduct only occurs between consenting adults. They wouldn't lie, would they?

If you hate hypocrisy, you're welcome to SHUTUP.

EODGUY

56 posted on 01/12/2002 3:23:54 AM PST by EODGUY
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To: Pokey78
"In Egypt, on a fresh water canal, I saw a man defecating in the water, while below him at a distance of not more than ten yards, women were washing clothes, and a short distance further downstream a village populace was drawing drinking water. "
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"All of the animals are head shy and many are blind as a result of the 'cheerful' Arab custom of beating them on the head with a stick."
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It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing.
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"It took me a long time to realize just how much a student of medieval history could gain from observing the Arab."

- Gen. George S. Patton -
57 posted on 01/12/2002 3:37:17 AM PST by Spruce
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To: piasa
Re # 49: Thanks for taking the time to set the record straight. It is amazing to me how many Americans are willing to shrug their shoulders in response to the threats to our civilization. They only want to find fault inside America. It was this kind of outlook that enabled Clinton to skate through all the assaults to our country during his tenure.

Not taking bin Laden when the Sudanese offered him to us has got to rank with the worst actions a president ever made. If the world wants to say forever Nixon=crook let it also say Clinton=coward.

58 posted on 01/12/2002 3:44:29 AM PST by maica
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To: Pokey78
Well, scratch off yet another possible destination for my next vacation. Dang.
59 posted on 01/12/2002 3:52:50 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Spruce
Great quotes from the great Gen Patton
60 posted on 01/12/2002 5:03:03 AM PST by dennisw
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