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White House Shifts on Welfare Law; Food Stamps for Legal Immigrants
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Posted on 01/09/2002 5:00:20 PM PST by RCW2001

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To: RCW2001
Ms. Munoz said. "It is unreasonable for somebody who works hard and is laid off to have no access to food for his family."

Tell that to American workers who are laid off so that business can hire the illegal slave labor from Mexico.

Lets see, bush increased the funding for clinton's Americorps to gain democrat votes I suppose.  Ain't gonna happen.

Now he wants a free lunch for immigrants to buy their votes.  That ain't gonna happen either, but the American tax payer gets the shaft again.

It hasn't been that long ago the republicans "talked" about smaller government.  Must have been a different bunch of republicans.:)

WarHawk42

21 posted on 01/09/2002 6:14:51 PM PST by WarHawk42
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To: Regulator
Is it just me or are other people mad that American guys are 13,000 miles away getting shot up while the non-Americans live
the good life here at home? Is that what they are over there risking their butts for?


It's not just you.
This is NOT what I voted for in Nov. 2000.
Bad news and a decidedly bad SMELL
emanating from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. today.
22 posted on 01/09/2002 6:14:52 PM PST by MamaLucci
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To: B. A. Conservative
Republicans never seem to learn that they are not going to win a bidding war with the Democrats for giving away your money. Welfare beneficiaries and other Democrats are always going to opt for the real thing and conservatives will stay home leaving the playing field wide open to Democrats.

Well stated. I agree 100%.

I'm very disappointed with Bush on the domestic front. He did good with the tax cut, but could have easily gotten a bigger one. He did not follow through on his promise to implement vouchers, and instead signed a bloated Education Bill authored by Teddy Kennedy. Federal spending is going up, big time; and social programs (welfare and Americorps) are being expanded. ANWR is still not open for drilling.

His talk now about "being against tax increases" is silly. All tax bills originate in the House, which is not considering a tax increase (quite the contrary, they have been far more aggressive than Bush on tax cuts). The cheerleaders here will say Bush's current tax strategy is a good way to help the GOP during the midterm elections. That might fly, except for the fact that Bush isn't naming names about the "tax increasers". It's just very vague talk, the only purpose for which is to distract us from pushing for real tax reform.

The more things change, the more they stay the same...

23 posted on 01/09/2002 6:15:31 PM PST by Mulder
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To: Dialup Llama
They will never vote for him. Immigrants vote Dem.

Generally speaking, yes. But Bush is clearly making a pitch for Hispanics. Look at the evidence. He has proposed (and subsequently dropped under pressure) a proposal for another amnestia; his Transportation Dept has approved a speed up of naturalization for airport screeners (up to 30% of which are Latino) and now this.

Bush's political advisors are not fools. They know that Latinos are not naturally leftist or liberal as a group. The only reason they vote Democrat is that the Dems have targeted them with pro-Latino propaganda and legislation. So the Republicans can play this game, too. Perhaps Bush will only get a few votes this way, but remember how close the last election was. Every vote he can grab from the Democrats is vitally important to his re-election.

24 posted on 01/09/2002 6:18:25 PM PST by codeword
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To: Dialup Llama
They will never vote for him. Immigrants vote Dem.

Generally speaking, yes. But Bush is clearly making a pitch for Hispanics. Look at the evidence. He has proposed (and subsequently dropped under pressure) a proposal for another amnestia; his Transportation Dept has approved a speed up of naturalization for airport screeners (up to 30% of which are Latino) and now this.

Bush's political advisors are not fools. They know that Latinos are not naturally leftist or liberal as a group. The only reason they vote Democrat is that the Dems have targeted them with pro-Latino propaganda and legislation. So the Republicans can play this game, too. Perhaps Bush will only get a few votes this way, but remember how close the last election was. Every vote he can grab from the Democrats is vitally important to his re-election.

25 posted on 01/09/2002 6:19:13 PM PST by codeword
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To: Dialup Llama
They will never vote for him. Immigrants vote Dem.

Generally speaking, yes. But Bush is clearly making a pitch for Hispanics. Look at the evidence. He has proposed (and subsequently dropped under pressure) a proposal for another amnestia; his Transportation Dept has approved a speed up of naturalization for airport screeners (up to 30% of which are Latino) and now this.

Bush's political advisors are not fools. They know that Latinos are not naturally leftist or liberal as a group. The only reason they vote Democrat is that the Dems have targeted them with pro-Latino propaganda and legislation. So the Republicans can play this game, too. Perhaps Bush will only get a few votes this way, but remember how close the last election was. Every vote he can grab from the Democrats is vitally important to his re-election.

26 posted on 01/09/2002 6:19:46 PM PST by codeword
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Sincere apologies for posting the same thing 3 times. Was a glitch.
27 posted on 01/09/2002 6:22:03 PM PST by codeword
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To: codeword
Bush isn't going to get 50% of the Latino vote.  That said encouraging more immigration is only detrimental to the republicans.  The increase will be larger for the dems than the republicans.

Simple math.  If you get 30% of 100 new votes then the other guy gets 70%.  Not a good deal.  As you point out the election was close.  It won't take that many more Latino votes to regulate the republicans to the dustbin of history.  Think about it, the republicans sure aren't.

WarHawk42

28 posted on 01/09/2002 6:26:52 PM PST by WarHawk42
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To: The Irishman
One thing that might be considered is GWB has been following President Reagan's playbook quite closely it, seems to me.

President Reagan had to concede, kicking and screaming of course!, on some spending items the "rats of the day" insisted upon, in order to pass his tax-cut/defense buildup legislation.

Perhaps...GWB is reading the 'playbook' one chapter ahead of the 'rats' on this one.?

Afterall...there is a "Greater Mission" to accomplish right now.

29 posted on 01/09/2002 6:34:18 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: codeword
It's wrong for democrats to buy votes with tax money,
and this move by a Republican President to do the same thing is just as wrong.
If Bill Clinton had followed through on his promise to "fix" the welfare reform bill
and had tried to pull this, we'd have ALL screamed bloody murder...and with good reason.
30 posted on 01/09/2002 6:35:39 PM PST by MamaLucci
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To: WarHawk42
Bush isn't going to get 50% of the Latino vote.

You may be right, but consider his experience in Texas:

"Meanwhile, in Texas Gov. George W. Bush coasted to an easy victory, taking anywhere from 40 to 50 percent of the state's Hispanic vote with him. Thanks in large part to Bush's wide coattails, all 28 statewide officers in Texas are now Republican."

Perhaps he is hoping for the same thing nationwide.

Source: (I know, I know) http://www.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2000/01/13/latinos

31 posted on 01/09/2002 6:38:47 PM PST by codeword
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To: SentryoverAmerica
GWB is no conservative. Socialism steamrolls on.

Bush isn't a socialist. He's a center-right politician. What they would call a Christian Democrat in Europe. If you call him a socialist, the word loses its meaning.

33 posted on 01/09/2002 6:42:45 PM PST by codeword
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To: codeword
You may be right, but consider his experience in Texas:

Texas is one state and he allowed that state to be over run by illegals for his own political gain.  Is that what you want?  At what cost victory?

I repeat.  It ain't gonna happen that he gets 50% of the Latino vote nation wide.  The republican party is self destructing and they don't have the sense to know it.  They have deserted there base trying to win democrat votes which they will never do in numbers large enough to do them any good.

Bush is riding high on his war popularity right now but it isn't going to last into the next election.  America's attention span isn't that long and if the economy doesn't improve dramatically he will lose the next election.

WarHawk42

34 posted on 01/09/2002 6:47:34 PM PST by WarHawk42
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To: WarHawk42
Texas is one state and he allowed that state to be over run by illegals for his own political gain. Is that what you want?

Please don't attribute positions to me that I haven't taken. Nowhere have I said that this pitch for Latino votes is a good or effective thing, just that Bush is doing it.

36 posted on 01/09/2002 6:50:04 PM PST by codeword
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To: codeword
Bush isn't a socialist.

Anyone who increases the federal government is socialist.  Bush has done nothing but increase government with the exception of his tax cut package (most of which you will never see).  He has increased both government control and spending.  In my book that is socialist.

Pretending otherwise is only avoiding the truth.

WarHawk42

37 posted on 01/09/2002 6:51:30 PM PST by WarHawk42
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To: SentryoverAmerica
In this galaxy, we call that socialism.

Not everyone on this site misuses the word "socialism" in a way that would include the policies of George W. Bush.

38 posted on 01/09/2002 6:52:19 PM PST by codeword
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To: Dialup Llama
Exactly! The GOP leadership is a joke. The majority of the immigrants coming in refuse to become Americans and will not vote for Republicans.
39 posted on 01/09/2002 6:54:37 PM PST by TransOxus
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To: codeword
Please don't attribute positions to me that I haven't taken. Nowhere have I said that this pitch for Latino votes is a good or effective thing, just that Bush is doing it.

You brought the point up, and yes bush is doing it.:)  To sell this country out for possible (only in there minds) short term political gains is treasonous in my mind.

WarHawk42  

40 posted on 01/09/2002 6:56:12 PM PST by WarHawk42
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