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2001: A Year In The Life of Marijuana Prohibition
AlterNet ^ | Jan. 07, 2002 | Kevin Nelson

Posted on 01/08/2002 3:45:05 AM PST by Wolfie

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To: 4Freedom
Who wants to march in lock-step to societal meltdown with the stoned masses of Belgium?

The staggering drunks of America ?

No, I guess not - they've got theirs.

22 posted on 01/08/2002 6:48:12 AM PST by Eddeche
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To: 4Freedom
What the hell are you babbling about? Do you even know?
23 posted on 01/08/2002 6:52:41 AM PST by MadameAxe
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To: Wolfie
What really gets me is the hypocrisy. There have been scores of cases of connected people getting little to nothing, while a medipot user gets 93 years.

We had a similar case in my dad's hometown to the suicide teen. The son of a prominant business owner was arrested and "treated as a common criminal" for drug possession and hung himself. The family was devestated.

The drug warriors are degenerate scum. I have no tears when one of them gets their come upins.

24 posted on 01/08/2002 6:58:09 AM PST by NC_Libertarian
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To: Wolfie
A few pertinent quotes regarding this topic:

"If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all." -- Jacob Hornberger

"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant." -- John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty", 1859

"The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog." -- G.K. Chesterton


25 posted on 01/08/2002 7:11:05 AM PST by Joe Brower
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To: MadameAxe
I guess, when the words get too big for you, it starts to sound like babble. Exercise your legal freedom to study more. Please. LOL.
26 posted on 01/08/2002 7:12:24 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: NC_Libertarian
Hey, some pigs are more equal than others:

Congressional Family Drug Offenders:
Escape Mandatory Sentences, Get Favorable
Treatment

In Boston, Todd Cunningham, 29, the son of U.S. Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA), was sentenced on November 17 to 2-1/2 years in federal prison for marijuana smuggling. Rep. Cunningham, who has supported the death penalty for drug traffickers, made a tearful plea to U.S. Judge Reginald C. Lindsay for leniency for his son. Prosecutors supported the sentence, which is half the mandatory five year term for such an offense, because Cunningham provided information about other offenders involved in the smuggling operation. It was Cunningham's first conviction. (Bill Murphy, "Son of lawmaker sentenced to prison," San Diego Union Tribune, November 18, 1998.)

Prosecutors had agreed to recommend a 14-to-18-month term in boot camp and a half-way house for Cunningham, but the Representative's son tested positive three times for cocaine while released on bail. On the day of the third failed drug test, Cunningham tried to escape authorities by jumping out a window onto a restaurant roof, breaking his leg. He is scheduled to participate in drug treatment while in prison, which, if successful, may reduce his sentence by as much as a year.

Todd Cunningham was arrested on January 17, 1997 by DEA agents for flying more than 400 pounds of marijuana into Lawrence Municipal Airport in North Andover, Massachusetts (see "U.S. Rep. Cunningham's Son Charged With Drug Trafficking," NewsBriefs, February 1997, p. 30). On August 14, 1997, Cunningham pleaded guilty to possession and conspiracy to sell marijuana. He also admitted to helping smuggle two other shipments of marijuana out of California (Bill Murphy, "Lawmaker's son pleads guilty," San Diego Union Tribune, August 15, 1998).

CLAUDE SHELBY - SON OF U.S. SEN. RICHARD SHELBY (R-AL)

On July 24, authorities at Atlanta's Hartsfield International Airport arrested Claude Shelby, the youngest son of U.S. Senator Richard Shelby (R-AL), for possession of 13.8 grams of hashish. Claude Shelby, 32, is married and has one child. Sen. Shelby is chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence ("Drug Charge," USA Today, July 29, 1998, p. 6A).

U.S. Customs Service inspectors found the hashish in Shelby's possession using a drug-sniffing dog. Shelby, who had arrived on a flight from London, was issued a $500 fine, which he paid on the spot. He was then turned over to the Clayton County Sheriff's Department for state prosecution.

Responding to the incident, Sen. Richard Shelby responded that he and his family were "shocked and saddened" by the charge but that he would "stand by him through this difficult ordeal." The senior Shelby added, "My position on fighting drugs is well known. It continues to be a priority for me regardless of personal circumstances."

"The senator may find it hard to be stoic if his drug-fighting colleagues in the House have their way," said Monica Pratt, communications director for Families Against Mandatory Minimums, in an op-ed in the Atlanta Constitution. Pratt was referring to the "Drug Importer Death Penalty Act" (HR 41), introduced by House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA), which would mandate a life sentence without parole for offenders who import "100 usual dosage amounts" of a controlled substance, and a death sentence for such offenders with a prior conviction for a similar drug offense . The measure does not define what amounts constitute "100 usual dosages." Pratt said, "Under this broad definition, Claude Shelby's 13.8 grams of hashish could be enough to qualify him for life imprisonment (Monica Pratt, "Congress comes into the courtroom," Atlanta Constitution, August 12, 1998). The U.S. Sentencing Guidelines provide that 1 gram of hashish is the equivalent of 5 grams of marijuana and that 1 gram of marijuana is two doses.

"Luckily for the senior Shelby, he will not know the pain of visiting his son in prison for the rest of his life. . .Perhaps his son's brush with the law will convince the senator that life-and-death sentencing policies are not trifling matters to be bandied about during election-year politicking," said Pratt.

DARLENE WATTS - SISTER OF U.S. REP. J.C. WATTS (R-OK)

Darlene Watts, 34, the sister of U.S. Rep. J.C. Watts (R-OK), the new House Republican Caucus Chairman, the number four position in the House leadership, was given a seven-year suspended sentence after successfully completing a boot camp program for nonviolent offenders. Darlene Watts was charged with possession and distribution of marijuana, methamphetamine and drug paraphernalia, and maintaining a property where drugs were kept. She pleaded guilty to six drug-related counts in March 1998 (Associated Press, "Watts' Kin Gets Term Suspended," July 20, 1998).

CINDY McCAIN - Wife of Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)

In 1995, Cindy McCain, wife of U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ), admitted to stealing Percocet® and Vicodin® from the American Voluntary Medical Team, which provides humanitarian aid to Third World countries. The two narcotic painkillers are Schedule II drugs, in the same category as cocaine and opium. Sen. McCain is the chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee. Cindy McCain became addicted to the drugs after undergoing back surgery. However, instead of prosecution, the senator's wife was allowed to enter a pretrial diversion program. An editorial writer in the Arizona Republic noted: "Conservatives seemed to achieve some sort of drug-rehab epiphany when Ms. McCain made her announcement. . .Newspapers that often used words such as drug addict and thug as describing the same person suddenly had a new sensitivity to the problem" (Doug MacEachern, "Painkillers Took Over Her Life," San Jose Mercury News, August 23, 1995, p. 8A; James Bovard, "Prison Sentences of the Politically Connected," Playboy, April 1997, p. 46).

DAN BURTON II - Son of U.S. Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN)

In January 1994, Dan Burton Jr., the son of U.S. Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN), was arrested in Louisiana for transporting nearly eight pounds of marijuana in the trunk of his car. Rep.Burton is the chairman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee. Six months later, Burton was arrested again, this time at his Indianapolis apartment, where police found thirty marijuana plants and a shotgun with ammunition. Federal prosecutors declined to prosecute the case; Indiana prosecutors recommended dismissal of the charges against Burton; and a Louisiana judge sentenced him to community service (Associated Press, "Congressman's Son Arrested With 7 Pounds of Marijuana," Gary Post-Tribune, January 14, 1994, p. B5; Eric Schlosser, "More Reefer Madness," Atlantic Monthly, April 1997, pp. 90-102).

OTHER CASES:

According to author Jim Bovard, other cases that have ended relatively favorable for family members of politicians include: marijuana and cocaine possession and distribution charges against Richard Riley, Jr., son of Education Secretary Richard Riley; cocaine possession charges against Gayle Rosten, daughter of then-U.S. House Ways and Means Committee chairman Dan Rostenkowski (D-IL); cocaine distribution charges against John Murtha, son of U.S. Rep. John Murtha (D-PA); cocaine distribution charges against Susan Gallo, daughter of U.S. Rep. Dean Gallo (R-NJ); marijuana possession charges against Warren Bachus, son of U.S. Rep Spencer Bachus (R-AL); and possession of cocaine with intent to distribute charges against Josef Hinchey, son of Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) (James Bovard, "Prison Sentences of the Politically Connected," Playboy, April 1997, p. 46).•

27 posted on 01/08/2002 7:13:19 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: MadameAxe
A Poly High School senior who played bass in the school orchestra took his life ...

How sad. I support a separation of this substance from the FDA classification it is in now, and turn the issue over to the states to decide as per the 10th Amendment. Even so, marijuana is de facto legal already in most states, although often used to plead down more serious charges.

28 posted on 01/08/2002 7:13:53 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Joe Brower
Don't forget my favorite:
If you say, "Would there were no wine" because of the drunkards, then you must say, going on by degrees, "Would there were no steel," because of the murderers, "Would there were no night," because of the thieves, "Would there were no light," because of the informers, and "Would there were no women," because of adultery.
-- St. John Chrysostom, "Homilies," circa 388
29 posted on 01/08/2002 7:15:27 AM PST by WindMinstrel
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To: 4Freedom
Personal attack, and lack of anything remotely resembling intellectual content or argument in support of your pro-murder-and-imprisonment-for-consensual-activities stance has been noted.
30 posted on 01/08/2002 7:19:42 AM PST by MadameAxe
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To: thatsnotnice
Those are interesting statistics. Especially considering everyone I know that smokes pot also smokes cigarettes, drinks, and uses various prescription and non-prescription drugs. I'm sure when they die each category will get a mark except for marijuana use... we can't have that.

Since it is impossible to overdose on pot, it wouldn't make sense to mark those. Now if you count lung cancer and traffic deaths, the stats get a little murky. Still, the fact is that nobody can overdose on pot.

We had an article in the local paper crying about a local "kid" who was a victim of marijuana laws - all he'd done was have a little pot in his posession. I went back through my collection of papers and found the original article dealing with him. First, the kid was 22 years old. Second, police were responding to an alarm at 2am and saw a car being driven slowly in an industrial area. The plates came back as being stolen, the driver decided to try and evade and crashed the car. The stolen car contained stolen items from several businesses AND the 22 year old kid-passenger was carrying 1+ ounces of weed packaged in one gram packets. Of course, the local writer left all that out and it became yet another "poor kid gets busted for weed" article.

So you have biased journalists. Arrest him for stealing the car and be done with the case.

31 posted on 01/08/2002 7:22:57 AM PST by Nate505
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To: Cultural Jihad
(thud!)
Even so, marijuana is de facto legal already in most states, although often used to plead down more serious charges.

Hmm, you might want to mention this to those DEA guys who keep harassing the patients, and those who help them, in California.

32 posted on 01/08/2002 7:23:53 AM PST by MadameAxe
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To: 4Freedom
The drug culture has succeeded in making addicts out of enough of the populations of Belgium and the Netherlands to win elections. That's insidious. No?

Considering they have less addicts per capita than we do, your ramblings make less sense than usual....

34 posted on 01/08/2002 7:24:26 AM PST by Nate505
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To: 4Freedom
Do you really believe that everyone that's addicted to drugs, in any country, will admit to it? Most addicts are in denial.

Wouldn't that same philosophy apply here? So even if they are in denial over there, they also are over here too, which would make the difference in statistics roughly the same.

Just more liberal statistics.

AKA statistics that go against your point....

35 posted on 01/08/2002 7:27:13 AM PST by Nate505
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To: MadameAxe
You received the kind of response you deserved in reply to your prior post, or am I the only one that has to remain civil around here? You're a little thin-skinned to be so snipy. I can only imagine the reason you lack restraint. LOL.
36 posted on 01/08/2002 7:28:11 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom
Your screen name and the views you post on these threads are 100% opposite. Perhaps you should consider 4SomeFreedom or 4LimitedFreedom or 4StateControlofBodies. Your current moniker doesn't fit.
37 posted on 01/08/2002 7:29:36 AM PST by jimt
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To: 4Freedom
What are your thoughts on post 27?
38 posted on 01/08/2002 7:37:57 AM PST by NC_Libertarian
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To: 4Freedom
"....Most addicts are in denial...."

Not true. It doesn't take very long for them to realize they are addicted - the first time they try to stop taking it and can't.

You do have a point that some addicts would rather hide their addiction than sign up for a program that forces them to admit it. However, I think that the cost of illegal (versus legal) drugs and the attendant criminal justice problems would convice most addicts to enter a program that gave them easy, legal and inexpensive access to the drug they need by a doctor's prescription.

Drug addiction was handled by doctor's prescription until about 50 years ago. The addiction rate was a fraction of what it is today, and there was far less crime associated with it. No formal program was involved. The addict simply went to a doctor, explained his problem, and got the prescription he needed. The doctor would write the prescription and write the word "addict" on it to signal the pharmacist why the addicting drug was being prescribed.

40 posted on 01/08/2002 7:40:53 AM PST by Magician
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