"Death of the West" -- Echoes from the Third Reich?

[Petronski]

All people are not created equal, and that is some fantasy fed to stupid and desperate and otherwise depraved citizens as much as any Soviet Union propaganda was fed to the Third World during the Cold War...

Please, tell us more. If all people are not created equal, who is better than whom?

[Southern Federalist]

All I can say is these terribly disturbed people aren't voting their concerns then. They've had primaries and general elections with anti-immigration candidates they could vote for and they never do. It isn't just becasue Blowhard Pat the Fruit Bat tainted the issue - if this were the compelling concern of the majority of white Americans, Pete Wilson would be President today.

[junta]

You take the bait like a hungry bass. "Southern fried bigots", all the high minded types of that era had little in the way of your illusions of equality especially Lincoln. I say what comes around goes around and we all get a turn in the stocks especially in a Democracy, the rule of the angry. If I'm right about you your grandparents debated the merits of either Stalin or Trotsky and what you peddle now is some shtick using a sentence fragment of the Declaration of Independence. By the way the author of the whole piece had no illusions of equality as you do or pretend to have.

[junta]

The person who created this site and maintains it for one is better than either of us. Of course I might beat the man in a footrace he might be able to outprogram me, but in now way are we "equals." As for the comparison between myself and you, easy, me, your'e a mush brain.

[Petronski]

I didn't ask who might be a better person now, but whether we are all created equal. I don't think you understand what 'created equal' actually means.

[junta]

Let us agree to disagree.

[hobbes1]

There is no such Person as Morris Dees

Sure there is ...
Here he is Front annd Center, Morris Dees and The Time

[Who is George Salt?]

"...all the high minded types of that era had little in the way of your illusions of equality especially Lincoln."

"...but he and Judge Douglas argue that the authors of that instrument did not intend to include negroes, by the fact that they did not at once, actually place them on an equality with the whites. Now this grave argument comes to just nothing at all, by the other fact, that they did not at once, or ever afterwards, actually place all white people on an equality with one or another. And this is the staple argument of both the Chief Justice and the Senator, for doing this obvious violence to the plain unmistakable language of the Declaration. I think the authors of that notable instrument intended to include all men, but they did not intend to declare all men equal in all respects. They did not mean to say all were equal in color, size, intellect, moral developments, or social capacity. They defined with tolerable distinctness, in what respects they did consider all men created equal—equal in "certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." This they said, and this meant. They did not mean to assert the obvious untruth, that all were then actually enjoying that equality, nor yet, that they were about to confer it immediately upon them. In fact they had no power to confer such a boon. They meant simply to declare the right, so that the enforcement of it might follow as fast as circumstances should permit. They meant to set up a standard maxim for free society, which should be familiar to all, and revered by all; constantly looked to, constantly labored for, and even though never perfectly attained, constantly approximated, and thereby constantly spreading and deepening its influence, and augmenting the happiness and value of life to all people of all colors everywhere. The assertion that "all men are created equal" was of no practical use in effecting our separation from Great Britain; and it was placed in the Declaration, not for that, but for future use. Its authors meant it to be, thank God, it is now proving itself, a stumbling block to those who in after times might seek to turn a free people back into the hateful paths of despotism. They knew the proneness of prosperit to breed tyrants, and they meant when such should re-appear in this fair land and commence their vocation they should find left for them at least one hard nut to crack."

-- Abraham Lincoln, June 26, 1857

Now, let's contrast those words with those of the Southern-fried bigot in question, Vice-President of the Insurrection, Alexander Stephens:

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition....The prevailing ideas entertained by him (Jefferson) and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically...Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error."

-- Alexander Stephens, "Cornerstone" speech

Now you and your "Confederate Hammerskin" buddies can quibble and cavil and whine about "Lincoln the racist" all you want, but the FACT is this - emancipation did occur, in spite of Lincoln's flaws (and he was a flawed man - I idolize no man) and IN SPITE OF the efforts of Alexander Stephens and Jefferson Davis and all the other slavers. And that --- EMANCIPATION --- is the source of your rage.

[Who is George Salt?]

That's Morris DAY, you mo-ron!

"A mind is a terrible thing to waste!"

[hobbes1]

Geez, and It only took Three days for someone to come up with the early 80's subreference...LOL

The rest of this Thread is hereby sentenced to 24 hours of uniterrupted Dennis Miller viewing.

[Who is George Salt?]

Well, I guess that's better than forcing me to listen to uninterrupted Pat Boone, Patsy Cline or Donny and Marie - now that would be cruel and unusual punishment!

[hobbes1]

I believe thats a violation of the Geneva Convention....

[Hugh Akston]

Enlighten us then.

[Hugh Akston]

Nice insight!

[The Southern Right Winger]

Only two questions need to be answered. They are seperate and important.

(1) Are Pat's statistics that imply the future takeover over America by those of a different cultural background than the founding fathers?

(2) Is this takeover a good thing?

If you want to deny the first answer is yes then give your evidence. If you think the answer to the second question is yes, then tell us why. Is one a Nazi if he believes that the answer to the second question is no? If so why did we fight Hitler in WWII instead of joining his cause, because that was the view of most Americans in the 1940's?

[AMMON-CENTRIST]

Pat is correct about the radical immigration problem in America. Statistically white americans are interracially marriage hugely on a population percentage than blacks. Outside of Europe and inside of Europe, whites are being displaced. Look at Ireland. I agree we need heavy reduction in immigration only to keep it sustainable for America.

Pat is correct to say in fifthy years, white americans will be much smaller.

[hellinahandcart]

Pat is correct to say in fifthy years, white americans will be much smaller.

We're going to shrink? OMG...

[qwertyz]

Hitler used twisted truth--which then becomes a lie--to accomplish his evil purposes. The challenge is to untwist the lie and handle the truth rightfully. But the continuing use of ad hominim attacks--popularized by the polically correct tactics of the Left--makes this task extremely difficult. Pat is more alarming than persuasive. So time will tell who's right. It may take until 2050 A.D. to find out.