STRANGE SYMBIOSIS – ISRAEL & ANTI-SEMITISM

Antiwar.com ^ | December 28, 2001 | Justin Raimondo

[Zorobabel]

I haven't got much use for weenies who have to have a moderator defend them. We aren't children, and we can decide for ourselves what to believe, and what to discount. You act like some liberal college puke who runs to the Dean of Students when some professor says something that conflicts with your assumptions.

[College Repub]

You are blindly accusing all who support Israel of doing so above their own country. What gives you the right to make that generalization?

[College Repub]

He is posting (in his replies on this thread) myths and falicies created by and perpetrated by radical hate sites. I have pointed out a few of them. That is illegal to do on these forums. He came not to engage in intellectual discussion on the matters at hand, but to serve as an Anti-Jewish, Anti-Israel, and Anti-USA shill.

[Justin Raimondo]

I've written a LOT of columns demanding that the money going to NATO be cut off, and calling for the US to withdraw from Europe. I oppose all "foreign aid," not just the $$$ going to Israel. Sheesh, I thought you guys had a MUCH better research department than that. As for me being a "leftist" -- that's a joke, right?

[College Repub]

WHy do you care more about palestinian terrorists being killed than 3000 American Citizens being burnt to a crisp. Are the lives of the US citizens not worth as much as the palestinian terrorists?

[Joe Driscoll]

I have to prove that the settlers are fundamentalist fanatics -- when one of them assassinated an Israeli Prime minister and a group of them recently burned a Christian Bible? The burden, sir, is on you to prove that they aren't....

I believe the Israeli cabinet member (not PM) was assinated by Palestinians. This does not justify your charactization of Israeli settlers. Neither does burning ANY book. Try again. On second thought...

[veronica]

"Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism" - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

". . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--this is God's own truth. "Antisemitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic, and ever will be so.

"Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered Our Lord. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.

"The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have begged, pleaded, requested--DEMANDED the recognition and realization of our inborn right to live in peace under our own sovereignty in our own country.

"How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfilment of God's promise, that his People should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land.

This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.

"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is antisemitism.

"The antisemite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the antisemite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!

"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate antisemitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and a revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled--as others have been--into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to these heartfelt principles that you and I share.

Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--make no mistake about it."

[Justin Raimondo]

On November 4, 1997, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by Jewish extremist Yigal Amir, who was active in the "settler" movement," and Shimon Peres became Prime Minister. Go look it up, dude.

[constitutiongirl]

He's referring to the murder of Prime Minister Rabin.

[Zorobabel]

I read the entire thread, I don't need you to explains it to me. I may not agree with Justin, but he has a right to his opinions. I haven't seen any anti-semitism on his part, and I support Israel. Calling into question government policies, ours or Israel's does not make one automatically unpatriotic or anti-semitic. There are lots of things our government does that would get some people hung if the population found out what was going on, and that probably goes for Israel too. Jews are not automatically Godly and good people, just because they are Jews, and somehow are beyond criticism. They are like everyone else.

[Justin Raimondo]

The racial victimologist Martin Luther King was pro-Zionist. So what? This speech -- how many times have you cut and pasted this swill, veronica? -- was an attack on MLK's rival, Malcom X and the Nation of Islam. Would King have blindly supported Israeli policy, no matter what, like you? I doubt it, but, again, King's position is neither relevant nor logical. There are plenty of Jews who oppose the radical Zionist project: indeed, perhaps the great majority of European and American Jews who see their proper home in the West. The mere fact that they haven't emigrated to Israel -- in spite of the appeal to do so by a demographically doomed Israeli regime -- is the proof of that.

[veronica]

Don't let Justin Raimondomania bother you too much. (-: There are places, civilized places, where his columns are not even allowed to be posted. It's a bit more rough-and-tumble here though. Take it all with a large grain of salt - his columns are mostly personal rants, not news.

And of course the Islam Firsters/anti-Israel gang are in high dudgeon because the bogus Fox story went bye-bye and never hit even one news cycle on any other network.

Heh!

[Miss Antiwar]

There are places, civilized places, where his columns are not even allowed to be posted.

Oh yes, you mean Lucianne.com? We all know Trixie and her son, Jonah can't handle the heat that comes from Justin's pen!

[Justin Raimondo]

A perfectly Soviet reply, veronica. "He's banned in Boston" -- so why don't you go back to Boston, dear? And if I were you I wouldn't be so smug about the alleged spiking of the Cameron story. You can't hide such a huge story indefinitely. Don't think there aren't reporters trying to find out the scoop on this one: a few have already contacted me. When this story breaks, it will break big-time. And then what will you say -- that it ought to be "banned"?

[hsszionist]

I'm still a little uneasy withdrawing completely from Europe, to many enemies in and out of the area. Israel is an investment in the future of mankind. I view other's positions from a slightly right of center perspective, the center being the Constitution as modified with the bill of rights and anti-slavery provisions. If you fall at or to the right of this position then you are safe from my flames.

[veronica]

LOL...I predicted in post 38 that you'd drag out that MLK speech. As usual.

So before I even posted on this thread you had me on the brain? Do you dream about me too? LOL. Were you worried I might post some light that would overshadow Justin's rant, er column? I just had to. MLK was a great writer, wasn't he? And you do not seem to have gotten the message yet. Some people are just thicker than others I guess.

And it's for anyone else who may not have seen it. You can skip over it if you like. I admit it's a bit deep for you.

[Miss Antiwar]

Tex, try Lucianne.com.