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Restorationists vs Conservatives and Libertarians
Self | 12/23/01 | David Wright

Posted on 12/23/2001 7:32:51 PM PST by dcwusmc

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To: A.J.Armitage
However, the fact that an action violates the Constitution most certainly does make it unConstitutional.

That is a true statement, however; who decides if the action is unconstitutional?

61 posted on 12/23/2001 8:53:37 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: expositor
For those FReepers reading the violation of the U.S. Constitution mentioned in Reply 53, I should add this:

The "flaw" of leaving out the term "executive" in the state constitution of North Dakota means that North Dakota never met the terms required for admission as a state! The Congress itself failed to note the "flaw" and erroneously awarded statehood against its OWN terms clearly stated in the Enabling Act of Feb. 22, 1889! Congress then erroneously told President Benjamin Harrison that all was in order and that he could sign the proclamation making North Dakota a state.

As it still stands uncorrected after 112 years, North Dakota is NOT a state, it is a TERRITORY and has no right to have two Senators voting in Congress for over a century!

Is that not enough to show the need for better knowledge and adherence to the U.S. Constitution?

62 posted on 12/23/2001 8:55:44 PM PST by expositor
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To: Texasforever
It is each citizen's duty to know the law and determine constitutionality, according to his understanding. That understanding is subject to review, but the duty is yours, if you chuse to remain free.
63 posted on 12/23/2001 8:56:24 PM PST by dasboot
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To: dcwusmc
I'm cool with almost any philosophy that embraces "Original intent." As far as this country has strayed from that concept, "restorationist" might well be that philosophy.

Here's an idea for starters: Force any and all new legislation to cite the section of the Constitution that allows it.

64 posted on 12/23/2001 8:58:32 PM PST by Marauder
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To: Texasforever
That is a true statement, however; who decides if the action is unconstitutional?

And when that person or body issues the decision, who determines what it means? And whoever decides that, who decides what he means?

65 posted on 12/23/2001 9:03:03 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: expositor
Again, does the state Constitution prevent the executive from taking an oath to uphold the Constitution?
66 posted on 12/23/2001 9:05:28 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: Neil E. Wright
I don't know that another label will help, but it sounds like a good one to me.

When the secular humanists and socialists decide to take over this Republic, they said in their documents that it was necessary to forget the "current" generation, take over the schools, and indoctrinate the following generations -- which they did quite successfully.

I happen to be opposed to government-run schools (on Constitutional grounds). but as long as they exist, we had best use the enemies techniques. Teach the children.

Use whatever ruses we must to have the "Old Constitution" taught, read, given out, discussed...what ever is needed for children to see the difference between what we have, and what we fought for from the Revolution to now.

The secularists are opposed to reciting the Pledge to the flag. How about reciting an oath to uphold the Constitution (with "so help me God" being optional, of course) as an introduction to the study? Just what would upholding the Constitution entail? Might even force a serious study of history, including slavery and secession form a non-PC point-of-view.

I've been up all night, hoping we could find a place to put a tree in case some one donated one to us...it didn't happen, so we will make our own tommorrow from what we have around. And maybe later I'll be able to put some more thought into these ideas I just threw out.

Merry Christmas, y'all.

67 posted on 12/23/2001 9:05:57 PM PST by womanvet
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To: dasboot
It is each citizen's duty to know the law and determine constitutionality, according to his understanding. That understanding is subject to review, but the duty is yours, if you chuse to remain free.

Well for every citizen to "know the law" is probably unattainable even if true. The only thing between freedom and serfdom is for the citizens to choose wisely those they elect to represent them. This country has never been more than one election cycle away from dictatorship in its entire history that is the risk we face for the benefit of a representative republic versus the "tyranny of the majority" of a direct democracy.

68 posted on 12/23/2001 9:08:05 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: A.J.Armitage
We have three branches of government: legislative, executive, and judicial. According to the ND state constitution, it omits "executive" officers, only saying that legislative and judicial officers take the oath of office "to support the U.S. Constitution.

That makes it "repugnant" to the U.S. Constitution, Article VI, Clause 3 specifically.

It was an omission by accident, but it has never been corrected for the past 112 years. It's about time it be corrected.

By the way, the FIRST act of the U.S. Congress during its FIRST session (when George Washington was President) was that all Federal officers and officers of the several states, within three days of this FIRST bill's passage, "take the oath to support the Constitution."

That's how important the oath of office is.

It is also spelled out in Title 4, Section 101 of the U.S. Code, where state officers of the three branches of government must, before they assume the duties of their office, take an oath "to support the Constitution."

69 posted on 12/23/2001 9:08:06 PM PST by expositor
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To: expositor
Ah, gee! You couldn't find that for South Dakota, could you?
70 posted on 12/23/2001 9:10:15 PM PST by womanvet
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To: A.J.Armitage
Please see my reply 62 on this thread and you will know how serious this omission is.
71 posted on 12/23/2001 9:14:15 PM PST by expositor
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To: expositor
But it doesn't actually prevent them from taking the required oath, right?
72 posted on 12/23/2001 9:17:20 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: expositor
As it stands now, it doesn't look like a flaw at all, let alone a serious one.
73 posted on 12/23/2001 9:19:03 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: dcwusmc;Neil E. Wright;A Navy Vet;SAMWolf;redrock; Lurker;Jim Robinson...
I was born a Repbulican and I am a Republican now.
Over the years I have been shocked at the changes in the Republican party. The lack of morals,all the very liberal issues it has accepted.The lack of concern about acts of treason done by those in power.

What has made this country great is not the hot dogs and apple pie, it is the Constitution and our Bill of Rights.Our FREEDOM and LIBERTY.

Our Founding fathers fought and died to give us our Constitution. Our Veterans fought, died, sacrificed much to KEEP us FREE.

One signature is all it takes to take our freedoms away, one is all it takes to change our Constitution into nothing more then a piece of paper.

I do not like labels,liberals love them.But if I am to choose one it would be this......I am a REPUBLICAN RESTORATIONISTS.......!

dcwusmc,I agree with every word you wrote at the beginning of this thread.

You can read this poem and add to it.....They Came to change and destroy our Constitution and I said nothing, I was a ( DEM ) ..(Rep)....whatever......and then it was too late,the Constitution no longer existed. America as we knew it was only a memory of the ancient ones.

"First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me."

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

74 posted on 12/23/2001 9:21:05 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: dcwusmc
I am very new to this forum. Are Libertarians welcome on Free Republic? I know this is a conservative forum, and I don't want to upset people here. I like intelligent debate, though.
75 posted on 12/23/2001 9:22:01 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Neil E. Wright; dcwusmc; Twodees
We've strayed so far, I fear we're goners. I support your efforts and will give my all.
77 posted on 12/23/2001 9:23:32 PM PST by 2Trievers
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To: Texasforever
Exactly!

Every citizen who wishes to vote responsibly must have determined what actions or plans of action, by any candidate for office, are constitutional. It is every citizen's duty to establish. These citizens must also understand why it is in their best interest to support candidates who seek to uphold the Constitution. The duty to educate them belongs to every parent or interested adult. And in the absence of candidates who will do their duty, it is the duty of the citizen to stand and appeal to his fellows.

Seward spoke a great speech on this very topic (good Republican, he). I've been trying to find it, but cannot as of right now.

Only a tyrannical mind could think that these things are the sole domain of a government. The bad result of ignorance or deference to others in these matters is too plain to expound upon further.

78 posted on 12/23/2001 9:23:38 PM PST by dasboot
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To: dcwusmc
Bump for later read. Thanks.
79 posted on 12/23/2001 9:23:51 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Snow Bunny
You forgot trade unionists. They came for them after the communists but before the Jews.
80 posted on 12/23/2001 9:25:34 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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