China's Muslim Hui Community (Review of Dilon)

Muslimedia ^ | February 2000 | Leila Juma

[rit]

On what basis do you reject Cohen's statements?

[ChaseR]

"They discount the significance of what Cohen told Jasper and what Cohen wrote himself to
such an extent that I question their motives and judgement in handling this entire situation."

OKC, please take no offense, I just can't buy that elder Bush did any of what Cohen assumes.

[ChaseR]

"On what basis do you reject Cohen's statements?"

I must say up front, that I'll have to read everything in this thread throughly, very throughly before I can post the basis of why I reject Cohen's assumpations - - I have not read all the posts/all the links provided in this thread, but I'll start today. There is a huge amount of information and links in this thread, it'll be a day or two I'd say.

[Alamo-Girl]

OKCSubmariner, I never meant to offend or provoke you, Mr. Cohen or anybody. My personal methods for analyzing information are not a burden to anyone but me.

For instance, I use timelines to analyze all kinds of information from the Downside Legacy, but what goes into my timelines are obviously at my own discretion. I choose to not put opinions on my timelines unless there is a ‘smoking gun’ fact that makes it significant to me. A ‘smoking gun’ is defined only by my own, personal analysis.

As an example – in the timeline at #56, every item is a fact except for one blurb about when William Perry probably met General Ding Henggao. The ‘smoking gun’ to me was Perry’s ongoing efforts under both the Carter and Clinton administrations to share military information with the Chinese and his military-industrial efforts involving General Ding (lobbying the NSA, Galaxy New Technology, Hua Mei, etc.)

I consider William Perry to be an important figure in determining how the Chinese obtained U.S. technology secrets because it culminated in October of 1994 when Defense Secretary William Perry signed the agreement with COSTIND chairman Lieutenant General Ding Henggao to provide for technology transfers from the U.S. to Beijing under the "U.S.-China Defense Conversion Commission." Perry was on the board of both United Technologies and Boeing ($18.5 billion in Chinese sales by 1999.)

I looked for, and did not find, a comparable 'smoking gun' for George H.W. Bush.

Once again, my timelines are not meant to invalidate or diminish anybody’s opinion.

[OKCSubmariner]

rit in reply #65 you wrote

" where he describes in detail how Bush Senior gave the Chinese and French the neutron bomb technology AFTER Bush ordered the US neutron bomb components to be depleted (Sept 27,1991)."

I made a huge booboo when I typed AFTER. I meant to write BEFORE. I need an editor!. I apologize.

The French got the neutron bomb in the late 1970's and the Chinese in the mid 1980s when Bush Senior was Vice-President. Cohen refers to his belief that the transfer of US neutron bomb tech to China was made during the Reagan-Bush administration.

I wrote this in my reply #65 to you where I wrote what I actually intended.

"Second, it was in Sept 1991 that Bush unilaterally dismantled US neutron weapons (FACT) after he I believe (opinion based on Cohen analysis and statements) HAD already given the neutron bomb to China. The "HAD" refers to the 1984-1985 time frame with Lee and is well before 1991. Go back and read more closely. I am not changing my position. It was ten years ago when Bush made his speech but 17 years ago when the Chinese got the neutron bomb tech from the US I believe.(opinion)."

[OKCSubmariner]

Please see reply #85

[flamefront]

Thanks for pointing out the above posting. I do stand by what I reported then.

You said therefore I don't believe any of what Cohen has stated.

Nor did George Putnam over the last few years wherein he refused to believe him and actually considered Cohen, a clear patriot before, verging on being a traitor. (The referenced remark George, though, has recently brought Sam Cohen back onto his radio show.)

What do you say explains how the ChiComs got the neutron weaponry, scientists talking? Independent development?

Now, and separately, what is your explanation for the Bush-x41 eliminating all the tactical nuclear weapons in 1991 as Uncle Bill well documents in #49 above? It definitely is the singular event that wiped out the neutron bomb program and that perturbed Sam Cohen. (I would think that act by Bush-x41 was wrong and significant in showing Bush's favoritism toward the Chinese military development.)

BTW to bring things up to more recent events, Sam Cohen and suppoorters have approached the Bush-x43 administration to suggest that the remanufacture of older nuclear weapons could, in a week's time, produce neutron weapons. Apparently the admin listened to the suggestions, but we have no public acknowledgement of a response one way or the other as far as I am aware.

[flamefront]

You have the sequence right there.

[OKCSubmariner]

In an article (“Bomb Inventor Says US Defenses suffer because of politics”) back on June 15, 1997, Sam Cohen said the following in an interview(excerpts):

Link: http://www.manuelsweb.com/sam_cohen.htm

“Evidence exists that China has neutron bombs stockpiled, and that the United States GAVE the Chinese the technology to build them.”…….

“Before, an obstacle to creating a nuclear bomb was the need for plutonium, which when exploded could create a fusion reaction in hydrogen atoms. But red mercury has changed that. The cheap substance has been produced in Russia, Cohen said, and shipped on the black market throughout the world.

Cohen said that when U.N. inspectors went to Iraq to examine the Iraqis' nuclear weapons capabilities, the U.N. team found documents showing that they had purchased quantities of red mercury. The material means a neutron bomb can be built "the size of baseball" but able to kill everyone within several square blocks.”

I wrote earlier in one of my replies that China could give suitcase neutron bombs to terrorists. Cohen makes reference to baseball sized neutron bombs (that can fit into a suitcase) made from red mecury and it is very likely China now has made and tested them.

And Iraq is working with China on weapons that use Red mercury and that can be used to make baseball sized (suitcase) neutron bombs. Iraq could give neutron bombs to terrorists too (AlQaeda,and …) if Iraq has succeeded in learning how to build them from China. This is another reason to consider doing something about Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass destruction.

There is another example of where Bush Senior helped build up Iraq with weapons of mass destruction before the gulf war-Bush personally approved dual use nuclear weapons exports from the US to Iraq (Congressman Gonzales read Bush’s approvals from the floor of the Congress on TV just before the gulf war and I saw and heard it). And Bush in my opinion gave neutron bomb tech to China who in turn is in a position to give it to Iraq to give to terrorists to use against the US.

[OKCSubmariner]

Please see my correction in reply #85.

[OKCSubmariner]

Flamefront: Thank you for your information and views. Also thanks for your discussion about the dismantling of neutron weapons in the Bush speech which Uncle Bill posted in reply #49. Your participation is much appreciated.

Please see reply #89.

Also are you aware that Win Ho Lees' wife worked for the FBI? I am sure of this. It was in several articles on the FR and I also spoke to Jasper of the New American about it personally and he had learned ot it independently.

[flamefront]

Now Iran's Rafsanjani suggests nuclear attack on Israel is indications of yet another Islamic "rogue" that is escalating events to nuclear proportions.

At the moment we are still learning of reported WMD materials in Afghanistan.

Red Mercury comes back into the discussion. Once it was a metaphor for disinformation. Is that really a compound containing an isotope of Hg?

Events once again may be about to overshadow the history.

[flamefront]

Win [Wen] Ho Lees' wife worked for the FBI?

Yes, I believe that is a matter of much public record that she cooperated with the FBI in the middle of Wen's employment at Los Alamos.

[Fiddlstix]

Bump

[flamefront]

Excuse me. It was the CIA that Sylvia Lee, the wife, worked for. The FBI, though, had been investigating her in the 1980's.

See this merury article.

[OKCSubmariner]

Flamefront:

Sylvia Lee (Wen Ho Lees wife) worked for/with BOTH the FBI and CIA:

From the same article you quoted in reply #95 ("this mercury article"):

But her role was approved by the Los Alamos lab director and the FBI, said Vrooman. ''Some people say she inserted herself. And that is truly unfair,''Vrooman said. ''She was asked to do it.''

Sometime during the mid-1980s Sylvia Lee's relationship with Wofford began. According to people in a position to know, she was providing the CIA with the same type of information SHE WAS GIVING TO FBI AGENT DAVE BIBB, THE COUNTERINTELLIGENCE OFFICER SHE REPORTED TO AT LOS ALAMOS: names of scientists, lists of those attending seminars, copies of documents. In CIA jargon, Sylvia Lee was a ''support asset.''

Peter Lee spent a lot of time on the phone to Wen Ho Lee when Peter was at Lawrence Livermore Labs. Is it not interesting that Peter Lee is alleged to have provided China with neutron bomb technology at a time when Wen Ho Lee's wife was working for the CIA and FBI (don't you know that Wen Ho knew his wife was working for the CIA when Wen Ho was talking to Peter Lee??)

I maintain that Peter Lee likely passed the neutron bomb tech to China with the knowledge and participation of Bush Senior , some in the CIA and pehaps even with Wen Ho's knowledge.

[OKCSubmariner]

See replies #32,#85,#89,#96

[Yellow Rose of Texas]

You go with the truth girl!

[OKCSubmariner]

For more truth please see replies #85 to #96. I flagged Alamo-girl for these same replies.

[Alamo-Girl]

Well, since we are looking for the truth here and there are conflicting reports, it should be pointed out that Peter Lee worked for Los Alamos laboratories. Some reports have said that he worked for Lawrence Livermore labs. Perhaps he worked for both, or perhaps he is being confused with Gwo-Bao Min, who did work at Lawrence Livermore.

Wen Ho Lee was taped when he made a call to Gwo-Bao Min in 1982 (after he was either forced to resign or was fired – again there are conflicting reports.) Gwo-Bao Min was being wiretapped under the sting operation “Tiger Trap” which reportedly snared a “lot” of would-be nuclear spies.

I have seen no reports of Peter Lee and Wen Ho Lee calling one another. Sylvia Lee, on the other hand, went to the same school with both Peter Lee and Gwo-Bao Min, which the report said is not unusual because it is a large school in Taiwan, as I recall. I have not yet seen any social relationships between the various Lees and Min mentioned anywhere. But, of course, I will continue to look.

There is some confusion also on what exactly Peter Lee passed on to the Chinese in 1985, but whatever it was, at least some of it was declassified in 1993 and that fact had some bearing on the reduced sentence (#61.) Gertz and a few others say it was related to the neutron bomb, however other reports say it was related to his specialty area - laser fusion - which reportedly is used in bombs.

All the reports I’ve read agree however that Gwo-Bao Win was suspected of passing neutron bomb information to the Chinese during the Carter administration. And the reports consistently indicate that he was a target of “Tiger Trap.” Notably, no charges were brought against Win. One report (quoted above at #61) indicates that the FBI was protecting its source.