Indiana Factory Shooting Highlights Need For Improved Oversight Of Kitchen-Table Gun Dealers

U.S. Newswire ^ | Violence Policy Center

[Sir Gawain]

yuck yuck

[dbwz]

I haven't followed this story that closely - has there been any motive established for this incident?

[Travis McGee]

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submision!"

~~then US Rep. Chuckie Schumer, 1993, on NBC.

[HiTech RedNeck]

What does a gun dealer who goes berserk have to do with crooks getting guns? Duh. Any excuse.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

If the guy passed the check to obtain a Federal Firearm License he would have had no problem buying guns even without it.

[dbwz]

Never mind, I got over my case of the lazies and PERFORMED A SEARCH.

Oh, and VPC sucks.

[m1911]

Third gun thread tonight - the assault is back on overtime after taking a short breather at regular speed. Too many foolish things to start on at 3am, but then, this is Josh Sugarmann, so I don't expect much.

[El Gato]

First let me give my gut reaction...BARF...there I feel better.

-- All federally licensed firearms dealers should be required to operate from a storefront business, not a residence. Licenses should be limited to businesses devoted primarily to the sale of firearms. Gun shops should be conspicuously identified to the public as such.

Wal-Mart, Academy Sports, etc, etc will never go for this. Of course these screwballs won't be happy until the only place you can buy a gun is some dark alley in the bad part of town, or under the counter at Bubba's Bait and Tackle.

[krogers58]

I don't think we should stop at simply banning guns......surely the index finger should be banned as well....

[Anotherpundit]

that whacko had an ffl? geesh. crap.

[m1911]

Sorry, I should go to bed, but if I don't rant now, I'll never sleep...

The November 2000 VPC study Less Gun Dealers, Less Crime:

Ok, so he's going to show us how the two are related...

The Drop in Federally Licensed Firearm Dealers in the Midwest found that the number of gun dealers in Indiana had dropped 66 percent, from 5,872 in January 1994 to 1,970 in January 2000.

Ok, step 1, show that the preliminary condition has been met.

This decline is largely attributed to new licensing and renewal criteria contained in 1993's Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and 1994's Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, as well as enhanced ATF enforcement.

Nicely shows that the desired government action (harassment of legal businessmen) produces the condition.

As a result, by 1998 56 percent of FFLs nationwide operated out of residential premises, down from 74 percent in 1992.

Non sequitor. How does the reduction in overall FFLs relate to the number who operate out of residential premises? Total breakdown of logic.

And what happened to the hoped-for results of achieving the condition (Less Dealers)? Did crime go down during that time? What other factors were present? Did SALES go down?

How does forcing a business to operate from a residence change the laws? Doesn't it just open the businessman to more intrusion, since the "place of business" can be searched without a warrant?

I only wish that any of these questions would be answered, or even had anything to do with VPCs actual goal.

[T'wit]

Kitchen-table guns are, by definition, guns that fire kitchen tables. I've never seen one myself, but there must be some out there. Now and then in movies you can actually see tables come flying out of houses or those Western saloons. You figure the tables must have been shot by kitchen-table guns, or maybe by front hall-table guns, or poker-table guns.

Scary stuff.

[T'wit]

> VPC's actual goal

Its actual goal is, of course, to raise tax-exempt money for its officers and employees. Anti-gun positions are -- to use the technical term -- its "gimmick."

[anymouse]

Wissman's uncle, Willis Carl Wissman, is in prison for killing his wife with a shotgun in 1985. Scott said that event is nothing more than coincidental.

Sure it is just a coincidence. The guy's uncle ended a relationship gone bad with a shotgun. This guy some how got it in his head that this was an acceptable way to deal with heartache.

I bet if they dig deep enough, this guy turns out to have been on 'crank'. Loner trying despirately to work his way out of middle America middle class obscurity and found a 'short cut' with deadly side-effects.

[leadpenny]

...or poker-table guns. LOL

Or those plucked-chicken guns the AF uses to test aircraft windscreens.

[Djarum]

The VPC neglects to mention that this individual probably would have obtained a rifle (or was it a shotgun?) regardless of FFL status.

[T'wit]

Plucked-chicken guns scare the BLEEP out of me! Four or five pounds of frozen rooster can do a lot of damage. When the bureaucrats first started firing those chicken loaders, they forgot to thaw the chickens and smashed all the windshields.

Imagine a crazed former postal employee shooting up a big city post office with 30, 40 frozen fryers.