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"I'm Full of Hate and I Love It" (Graphic language warning)
Westword ^ | 6 Dec 01 | ALAN PRENDERGAST

Posted on 12/05/2001 1:23:30 PM PST by real saxophonist

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To: Rebelbase
Then if you're going to take the time to post and disagree with me, show me some facts.
I expect a little better from the average freeper than, "tinfoil, tinfoil, nyah, nyah, nyah."

See post #20- someone agrees. Not like I look to anywhere but the facts for validation of my opinion, but the polls seem important to you. Of course in this case, you didn't even bother to read the polls before posting.

And if you won't consider a point of view until there's a few people who agree, well, that is the definition of intellectual cowardice.

61 posted on 12/06/2001 2:45:33 PM PST by Oschisms
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To: ThomasJefferson
:)
62 posted on 12/06/2001 2:47:19 PM PST by Oschisms
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To: Oschisms
I think that witness analysis is always highly suspect. When we look at the history of "eye witness testimony" we find that inconsistencies and inaccuarcies truly are the norm. As a result, I feel eye witnesses are usually overrated.

A perfect case in point is the Space Shuttle tragedy. I can personally give you the names of well respected educators who will say, under oath, that they saw a surface to air missle take down the Challenger. Did it happen? I don't know. I do know that the overwhelming evidence is that it didn't.

As this relates to the Columbine tragedy, we realize we have numerous witnesses who have made statements that contradict the official story. We also have even more who do not. We have limited video evidence that supports the official story. We also have writings by one of the known killers which seem to support the official story. The eye witnesses are the least reliable of all the pieces of information because they were in a highly stressful environment (gross understatement) and were probably more concerned with their own survival than with making a mental record of who the shooters were and how many there were.

My gut instinct is that there were 2 shooters, but they had shared their plans, at least to a limited degree, with others. It seems clear that there were people who knew the kids were making bombs. There were kids who knew they were buying guns and ammunition in quantities inconsistent with normal teen behavior. There were also kids who knew of the resentment they was feeling towards those society would have called either normal or exceptional students and athletes. To me it is highly unlikely that there were not at least kids who knew what the killers intended to do. I feel some truly thought they were bluffing. Others had varying degrees of belief that it would happen. I also think it is likely that there was one or more person who knew what was going to happen, and when. That person or persons likely was involved in helping to transport the devices that were intended to be used as bombs.

I don't believe for a second that these two kept a plan of this magnitude to themselves for a year. Harris was clearly obsessed with sex and trying to impress girls in an effort to bed them. I would expect that he might have felt that the "bravery" (in his mind, not mine) that he was exhibiting by formulating and carrying out this plan would be impressive and could be used as a tool to that end.

63 posted on 12/06/2001 3:47:35 PM PST by sharktrager
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To: Oschisms
Any further consideration of your opinion about Columbine is waste of my time.

Have a nice day.

64 posted on 12/06/2001 3:59:24 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Liberal Classic
I wouldnt doubt it. I dont wear a tin foil hat yet, but my daughter told me(we talk) that she was asked at school if there were guns in our home.(the local police were speaking to the class that day) I would put nothing past public schools/administrations. "Its for the children !". Even when they are in K/1st grade..... Fortuneately she has never seen a real gun.
65 posted on 12/06/2001 4:32:50 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: Rebelbase
I reread your posts. You never actually considered anything, just made fun and got bellicose.

You have a nice day as well.

66 posted on 12/06/2001 4:40:10 PM PST by Oschisms
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To: sharktrager
As this relates to the Columbine tragedy, we realize we have numerous witnesses who have made statements that contradict the official story. We also have even more who do not.

With all due respect, this statement is false. There are far more witnesses whose statements do not corroborate the offical account than those who do. You're correct that eyewitness accounts are highly unreliable, that is why the analysis focuses on which eyewitness accounts have similarities. If you have eight witnesses who saw 3 shooters and three witnesses who saw 2, it is far more likely that there were 3 shooters. This is SOP for police everywhere- except, apparently Jefferson County, CO.

From the site linked above:
SUMMARY:
There was a third accomplice, the White T-shirt Bomber.

Switching to this theory instead of a two-shooter theory, the number of anomalous testimonies falls from 11 to 4. (Evan, Jason, Trent and Mindy all reported a shooter that may not have been Eric or Dylan).

Of the 14 witnesses, four witnesses saw him simultaneously with Eric and Dylan, and 3 other witnesses saw him with one of the two shooters.

Put in percents:
No white T-shirt bomber: Anomalous reports: 73%
With white T-shirt bomber: Anomalous reports: 28%

If we factor out the anomalies that do not directly relate to the white T-shirt bomber, we have:
No white T-shirt bomber: Anomalous reports: 50%
With white T-shirt bomber: Anomalous reports: 0% None. Zip.

Seven corroborating witnesses, four of whom saw 3 suspects simultaneously. Furthermore, none of the seven reports about the white T-shirt bomber contradict each other. And the theory much more closely aligns with the actual witnesses’ reports than does the official report.

Could it be any plainer than that?

There was a third accomplice, the White T-shirt Bomber.

Now you can shoot all sorts of holes in this summary, as well you should. Ultimately you have to read the details for yourself to see how thorough an analysis Mr. Tribble did. (Yes, that's his real name.) It's way too long to post here. But to dismiss it out of hand without reading it simply because it's based on witness testimony seems strange. You do realize that the offical story is also based on witness testimony, the PD just took the most anomalous accounts instead of the accounts that corroborate each other.

67 posted on 12/06/2001 5:05:37 PM PST by Oschisms
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To: 45Auto
Ive heard of the Luvox/mania link before, I dont have the information readily at hand, but I do believe this has been documented. Something to look into.
68 posted on 12/07/2001 6:18:50 AM PST by cascademountaineer
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