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Studies On Ritalin Are ‘Child Abuse' (Federally funded torture chambers)
NY Post ^ | 12/03/01 | Douglas Montero

Posted on 12/03/2001 7:38:54 AM PST by dead

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:02:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: a history buff
I'm trying to not flame you in reply but you have no effing idea what we've gone through over the past three years.

I'm willing to bet that you're intelligent enough to know that making a generalization based on your personal experience is what is known in rhetorical circles as inductive fallacy.

Did your teen years include a week of inpatient and a week of outpatient because of a manic episode?

Would parental attention alone have been the proper solution for that situation?

One size does not necessarily fit all, and our mileage DOES vary.

And it wasn't the school or the shrink that kept pressing for adding ADD to the diagnosis, it was his psychologist who kept quietly stating "I think that he's also got ADD." And the psychiatrist poo-pooed it. And, we believed the shrink because he had the bigger credentials. And finally the shrink listened to the psychologist.

There's nothing in your recommendations that we haven't already tried, and every night homework would take HOURS.-- And even if the homework was done, frequently it would be lost before it got turned in.

And, as the psychiatrist said when we questioned the bipolar side of the equation after being told that he had ADD as well, was that if he hadn't been bipolar, then his symptoms wouldn't have subsided when he was given Depakote.

Same goes for his ADD: We've seen a dramatic improvement in grades, attitude, temperament and organization after he got put on 15 mg of Adderall once a day.

(And that's for a 120 lb 13 year-old. Those dosages the study mentions seem a bit on the high side, (especially for preschoolers) from what I've read on the subject).

It's not a cure-all, but it's making things more tolerable while we continue to pursue therapy, etc.

41 posted on 12/03/2001 11:35:07 AM PST by George Smiley
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To: George Smiley
I told a personal anecdote, not in the expectation that people are alike, but rather because it is my story. If had had the bad manners to draw conclusions about your particular parenting skills, I'd have freepmailed you, or said so outright.
43 posted on 12/03/2001 11:52:26 AM PST by a history buff
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To: a history buff
Perhaps I inferred something that wasn't there.

I do that sometimes.

The bipolar to some degree delayed recognizing the ADD.

Getting to this point has been a long and painful process, and it has affected every member of the family.

Hell, we'd probably have considered the dunking stool or trephination if somebody had suggested it (just kidding.)

Those who proclaim that Ritalin is always evil and that all ADHD is a hoax remind me of the $camintologists who are just as contemptuous of all psychotherapy and/or psychotropic medications.

Is the diagnosis frequently made in error? Undoubtedly.

Are kids diagnosed for the sake of convenience? Without question.

Is medication dispensed inappropriately. Certainly.

But real cases of ADD and ADHD do exist, and medication is (only) one of the tools for treating these cases.

And patently dismissing pharmacological approaches is like saying 'you can repair this engine but you can't use any screwdrivers.'

Some engine repairs don't require the use of a screwdriver and others are virtually impossible without one.

Regards,

GS

44 posted on 12/03/2001 12:42:41 PM PST by George Smiley
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To: George Smiley
It's not a cure-all, but it's making things more tolerable while we continue to pursue therapy, etc.

Good luck to you and your son.

As I said, I know that there are people who can benefit from the use of Ritalin and similar drugs. I’ve worked with developmentally disabled children (as a volunteer – not a professional) for 20+ years. I’ve seen a number of kids who had very serious behavioral problems that were helped greatly by ritalin.

Unfortunately, for every kid who is on these drugs for legitimate reasons, there are probably 20 kids on it simply because their parents and/or teachers want to have an easier day.

And no preschooler should be on these drugs for any reason.

45 posted on 12/03/2001 12:50:33 PM PST by dead
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46 posted on 12/03/2001 6:56:15 PM PST by dead
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To: dead
The US & Canada account for ~95% of global ritalin sales.
47 posted on 12/03/2001 8:06:59 PM PST by a history buff
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To: a history buff
The US & Canada account for ~95% of global ritalin sales.

Chris Rock had a funny bit where he talked about how America is so well-off that we have to invent diseases:

“We're allergic to food! Allergic to food! Hungry people ain't allergic to sh!t! You think anybody in Rawanda’s got a lactose intolerance?”

48 posted on 12/04/2001 6:31:05 AM PST by dead
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To: dead; Al B.; Rudder
ALLIANCE FOR HUMAN RESEARCH PROTECTION (AHRP) Contact: Vera Hassner Sharav Tel: 212-595-8974 veracare@rcn.com

FYI

Steven Hyman, M.D., Director of the National Institute of Mental Health, is a preeminent expert on molecular neurobiology and the mechanisms by which psychotropic drugs work. His extensive research has led Dr. Hyman to conclude that repeated exposure to psychiatric drugs--whether abused or prescribed--produces profound, long-lasting, functional alterations in the brain, including changes in the pattern of gene expression. In an important (much cited) 1996 article in the American Journal of Psychiatry [vol. 153:151-162], Dr. Hyman explained that psychotropic drugs--including psychostimulants (such as Ritalin and cocaine), antidepressants (such as Prozac) and antipsychotics (such as Zyprexa)--create "perturbations in neurotransmitter function" and that repeated such perturbations "usurp normal homeostatic mechanisms within neurons, thereby producing adaptations that lead to substantial and long-lasting alterations in neural function." Dr. Hyman concedes that these adaptations may not be beneficial to the organism.

How then, can anyone defend exposing children with no proven illness to high risk experiments? How can anyone defend exposing children whose brain is still in development--to a drug which works by causing "perturbations in neurotransmitter functions?" Can Dr. Hyman, or anyone, give assurance that these children's brain will not be damaged forever before they are given a chance to outgrow their mischievousness?

This NIMH-funded experiment is likely to earn the condemnation of the judiciary, as happened when a Johns Hopkins / Kennedy Krieger Institute lead poisoning experiment was examined by the Maryland Court of Appeals, Aug 16, 2001: http://www.courts.state.md.us/opinions/coa/2001/128a00.pdf

49 posted on 12/04/2001 11:59:13 AM PST by a history buff
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Can Dr. Hyman, or anyone, give assurance that these children's brain will not be damaged forever before they are given a chance to outgrow their mischievousness?

Of course he can't.  But that won't stop him and NIMH from wallowing in their scientific and ethical hypocrisy.  To do otherwise would be bad for biz....

Thanks for the quote....this quote from Hyman has been used against him elsewhere, including Glenmullen's book on Prozac.  Hoisting famous psychiatrists on their own petards is easy to do.

50 posted on 12/04/2001 1:21:33 PM PST by Al B.
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