Tortured, Bloody, Sickening . . . But Effective -- Pro-Life Group Pricks Communters' Consciences

Los Angeles Lay Catholic Mission ^ | 10/01 | Robert Kumpel

[pcl]

My first reply to your posting may look like I did not read your posting correctly. That would be correct. I did not read it right.

I agree with what you said 100%

[technochick99]

A slap in the face only works for people who are hysterical. Everyone else just gets pissed.

I might have to disagree with you. I used to be very pro-choice. Then I saw some abortion photos. I was offended, disturbed. And then later, I started thinking about those pictures, and it made me re-evaluate my position. Am I 100% 'anti-choice'? No, but I have changed a great deal. Sometimes, the slap's sting goes away, but it plants a seed...

[pcl]

Most people have no idea what abortion really "looks" like.

You must think Pro-Choicers are pretty stupid if they have not thought about and can not imagine what an abortion byproduct looks like. The display of those images is condescending - among other things.

[danneskjold]

You must think Pro-Choicers are pretty stupid if they have not thought about and can not imagine what an abortion byproduct looks like.

I'm sorry, but I've known people who have given it no thought. If many are offended, but one person changes their mind, I believe it is worth it.

[Dan from Michigan]

. Some second and third trimester babies' muscle

I was born last2nd/early3rd trimester.(3 months early) I lived. There is NO justification for a 2nd or 3rd trimester abortion. I'm against 1st trimester as well, but 2nd and 3rd is plain WRONG beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[michaelje]

Bump for all of the unborn.

[pcl]

I am happy that the tactic worked for you. You sound very comfortable with your choice to never have an abortion.

My wife and I are also happy about our choice for her to never have an abortion. We did not have to see any goulish images to make that decision.

Operative words: choice, decision

[pcl]

A fetus of less than ~24 weeks does not have enough lung function to survive outside of the womb.

[Dan from Michigan]

I used to really be on the fence with this issue. I have a strong libertarian leanings. Right now, I think each state should decide their abortion laws.

That said, if I was a state rep in Michigan, and would have the chance to vote for a total ban for abortions, would I do it. Yes I would.

Two things really influenced it for me. The first was these photos. I remember Lady GOP posting a couple on FR. Those were disturbing and blunt, but it really did get me off the fence.

The other was that I was born 3 months early. I read a couple of news stories of 6-9 month abortions. I was born 6 months in, and lived. I barely made it as I was 2lbs 15 oz when I was born, but I did make it. I could have possibly been a victum of chance.

My mother is a strong hardline pro-lifer and is nearly a single issue voter on that issue. I think I understand why.

[technochick99]

Well, I meant it made me rethink the overall legitimacy of it - from a logical and ethical standpoint. It made me take a second look at some things I believed to be 'true' politically. Sometimes, when you look twice, you see that your reasons for thinking what you always have don't stand up to the harsh light of objective analysis. It's nothing personal in this decision at all.

[Dan from Michigan]

I made it at approx 25 or 26 weeks in 1970's medicine. Are you sure? With modern medicine?

[rudy45]

Thanks for the info. I'm going to email "Sweet Baby" James, the producer of the Sean Hannity Show, to see if this gentleman can appear as a guest.

[pcl]

If many are offended, but one person changes their mind, I believe it is worth it.

That is a good point.

The people you are really looking to influence are the 56% in the middle ground. A slap in the face like this could push them in either direction. I would not want to bet money on a statistical average of them going one way or the other.

[technochick99]

Being a fellow Libt., I know where you're coming from. From a constitutional perspective, I think Roe v. Wade ought to be overturned. It's a state issue.

[danneskjold]

A fetus of less than ~24 weeks does not have enough lung function to survive outside of the womb.

Could the fetus survive with medical assistance?

[Brad’s Gramma]

Hi Guys....hey, that poll that you posted that's running up in the San Francisco area, and you, pcl, are pretty much saying that's the way America (and the world since the net is world-wide) feels??? Would I be able to at least sway you a tad if I could see the same questions run in a conservative area of the country and IF the results came out differently?

Any newspaper people on this thread?

[danneskjold]

The people you are really looking to influence are the 56% in the middle ground. A slap in the face like this could push them in either direction. I would not want to bet money on a statistical average of them going one way or the other.

I think the risk is worth it. I just don't see too many people who are "in the middle" on this seeing the pictures and then deciding "this is for me".

[Brad’s Gramma]

A fetus of less than ~24 weeks does not have enough lung function to survive outside of the womb.

Neither do a lot of the elderly.

[pcl]

I made it at approx 25 or 26 weeks in 1970's medicine. Are you sure? With modern medicine?

I am not and expert or even very well informed on this subject. The information that I have is:

A group of 167 scientists and physicians told the Supreme Court in 1989 that "the most important determinant of viability is lung development," and that viability is not achieved significantly earlier than at twenty-four weeks of gestation because critical organs, "particularly the lungs and kidneys, do not mature before that time."

[Brad’s Gramma]

Wooooo boy, if you can get that on the Hannity show, why don't you bump the Hugh Hewitt list? I'd LOVE to hear that one. HEY! Ask Hugh!!!!!